Should Capital Punishment Be Allowed?

Should Capital Punishment Be Allowed?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 51.7%

  • No

    Votes: 14 48.3%
  • Total voters
    29
B_A said:
I feel the same way, no one should die except for pedos! Mostly cuz there is no cure for sexual desire. Yes actions can be controlled but sexual desire cannot be changed.

However murder is murder. And life in prison is the most horrid torture a human can endure being caged like an animal.
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Murder is murder...

Is all intentional killing murder? That’s not what the dictionary says
 
I’m pretty passionate about this one. Capital punishment is bullshit and I struggle to see how anyone with any sense of humanity and any understanding of our justice system can be in favor of it.
 
mryounggun said:
I’m pretty passionate about this one. Capital punishment is bullshit and I struggle to see how anyone with any sense of humanity and any understanding of our justice system can be in favor of it.
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So, Dylan Roof should be allowed to live? What about the Aurora, CO movie shooter who got basically 3000 years? The fuck point does THAT prove?
 
Mister B. said:
So, Dylan Roof should be allowed to live? What about the Aurora, CO movie shooter who got basically 3000 years? The fuck point does THAT prove?
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Since I don’t believe in the death penalty...yes, those people should live.

If them niggas being granted the gift of continued life when they prolly shouldn’t be is the unfortunate side effect of doing away with the death penalty in a country where we all know we can’t rely count on the courts to get it right...then so be it.

We get it wrong too often in this country for me to ever be in favor of the death penalty. If even ONE person has been wrongfully executed, the whole shit needs to be done away with.

And we all know it’s happened before. Numerous times.

Fuck Dylan Roof and all the rest of them shooters, dog. My point ain’t got shit to do with any sort of moral position on their lives being spared. Fuck em. It’s deeper than that.

But if we wanna go a layer deeper, I’m also very uncomfortable with the government telling its citizens ‘Only WE determine when a nigga's life needs to be taken!’.
 
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I've consumed enough true crime shit in my life to see how common it is for detectives/the prosecution to close cases based on pure conjecture and an impressionable jury. And that dont even have to be for murder, it could be assault, theft/robbery, etc.

Fuck a death penalty.
 
mryounggun said:
Since I don’t believe in the death penalty...yes, those people should live.

If them niggas being granted the gift of continued life when they prolly shouldn’t be is the unfortunate side effect of doing away with the death penalty in a country where we all know we can’t realizable count on the courts to get it right...then so be it.

We get it wrong too often in this country for me to ever be in favor of the death penalty. If even ONE person has been wrongfully executed, the whole shit needs to be done away with.

And we all know it’s happened before. Numerous times.

Fuck Dylan Roof and all the rest of them shooters, dog. My point ain’t got shit to do with any sort of moral position on their lives being spared. Fuck em. It’s deeper than that.

But if we wanna go a layer deeper, I’m also very uncomfortable with the government telling its citizens ‘Only WE determine when a niggas life needs to be taken!’.
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No exceptions even for cases as clear as Roof's?
 
Mister B. said:
So, Dylan Roof should be allowed to live? What about the Aurora, CO movie shooter who got basically 3000 years? The fuck point does THAT prove?
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So what about the people on death row who were later found not guilty? All the brothers on death row. Hey sorry we killed the wrong nigga.
 
konceptjones said:
1. No, it gives them a sense of satisfaction that the person is dead, but closure never happens.
2. The death penalty has never deterred anything. If it did, there wouldn't be anyone on death row.
3. While true, most people convicted of a crime that could possibly get one the death penalty have an extremely low recidivism rate anyways so this isn't really a good argument.
4. See #3.
5. So few people are on death row that when they're killed it doesn't alleviate anything. Stop locking people up for non-violent, petty crimes and get them some social services and you'll free up thousands of beds immediately.
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mryounggun said:
But if we wanna go a layer deeper, I’m also very uncomfortable with the government telling its citizens ‘Only WE determine when a nigga's life needs to be taken!’.
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Then you must be uncomfortable with pretty every government on Earth. They’ve all used the DP at some point, with the ones that have outlawed it only doing so with the last 100 years or so.

And while I agree that people are wrongfully executed, that happens a ton less often then you’d believe.

What needs to happen is a special division of the courts should be created to specifically address Death Row appeals at the state and federal level. Leaving these appeals in the hands of the SCOTUS often allows many last-ditch appeals to go overlooked, as the SCOTUS is making other decisions during the day as well.

This would also cement the process better to: 1) determine the condemned is in fact guilty of both the crimes and special circumstances that warranted a Captial case, and 2) to ensure that these crimes should carry the ultimate punishment.

This would have a better and quicker process to either guarantee that person’s sentence is worthy of death, or if their sentence was too harsh and life without parole is the better option.
 
I'm ok with the death penalty, but I'd also be cool with raising the bar for who it can be applied to. Like witness testimomy can be unreliable, but can get a conviction. Maybe not give it to those people.

But if you're admitting you did it (Dylan Roof), you're on camera (like that dude in NY recently that shot the guy on the bike), you have the bodies at your house (Dahmer)... I think you should be eligible for the death penalty...we know it was you.
 
All im saying is if capital punishment is allowed, then life in jail shouldnt be.

A life sentence is fundamentally useless imo
 
I don't typically write long posts and I can't answer this without getting Biblical, so here we go. I've got two passages, one from the OT and one from the NT.

Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man’s blood,
By man his blood shall be shed,
For in the image of God
He made man." One makes their life forfeit when they have so little regard for the life of another human to be able to callously murder. That is a dangerous individual that simply doesn't care about anyone else. You don't want that person walking around freely, and you don't want that person influencing other people. The difference between the two killings is that the first is murder and implies the innocence of the victim while the second is a killing to punish and remove the offender.

Romans 13:4, in a discussion on governing authorities and their role in protecting the innocent while punishing the wrongdoer that goes back to verse 1 and forward to verse 7, "...for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil." That isn't an endorsement of any particular firm of government, nor a statement about good vs bad government, but rather a statement about government in general as God has ordained it to be a protective entity. A part of that is the evildoers should fear government because it "does not bear the sword in vain." The death penalty is meant to be a deterrent more anything. It isn't meant to be desired. As a deterrent, it is effective. It may not stop every murder from happening, but can you imagine how many more people would be willing to murder another human if their own life wasn't on the line?

For those reasons, I have no issue with the DP in and of itself, the problems are the human element and as someone pointed out humans make mistakes. This is a mistake that can't afford yo be take. I believe that if the DP is on the table, the state needs to be 100% sure of the guilt of the offender. If there is even a small chance the person could be innocent, the DP should be off the table. I'd like to see more appeals get an honest review and more of those sentences overturned for weak evidence or bad prosecutorial or police investigative behavior.

The other human problem with the DP is bias which leads to unfairness in how the DP is carried out and who is eligible for it. This is not justice, but rather injustice.

While I don't have an issue with the death penalty itself, those two reasons are why I also have no issue with it being scrutinized and scrapped.
 
AZTG said:
All im saying is if capital punishment is allowed, then life in jail shouldnt be.

A life sentence is fundamentally useless imo
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Somebody like a Charles Manson or Jeffrey Dahmer for example shouldn't be allowed to just be hanging out at Starbucks.

There are some ppl who are a straight up menace To Society and not like the movie.
 
Mister B. said:
Finish the quote, don’t just pick and choose.
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Naw, that's the thing, B. YOU are picking and choosing. I said right from the beginning, if even ONE person is wrongfully executed, the whole system is bullshit. You and I agree that people have been wrongfully executed. For ME, that's where it stops. Argument over. I understand that for YOU, there is more to be said. But for ME, that's the end. The shit is very binary to me.
 
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