konceptjones
The one between three and three.
I think someone said it on page 1 or 2
Tipping At A Restaurant
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I think someone said it on page 1 or 2
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
They ARE paid hourly, just a low ass amount per hour. And paying them a decent wage does NOT take away the incentive to give good customer service. Tipping in Japan is considered offensive and yet the service you receive in their restaurants is always exceptional. Pay them folks and they'll be happy to come to work and do their jobs.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
Your tampons. Aye, I'm almost to your crib, you want me to leave 'em in the mailbox like last time? Giving exceptional service means I should ask this kind of thing.
Bender Rodriguez
Kiss my shiny metal ass
Koncept came though and crush the buildings with facts. Still haven't heard a GOOD reason or explanation as to why you should tip. And before someone replies to me I'm just reading the thread.
Soul_Rattler
Active Member
The Mad Titan
Active Member
Because they figured out they could sucker their customers into paying more than their fair share.
TheNightKing
J.A.P.A.N.
Waiters and waitresses aren't going to fight for a set hourly rate cause if they good they can make a lot more from tips.
If I had a restaurant though I'd have a set hourly rate. I'd attract more customers that way too cause when people come they only paying menu price when they walk out.
System as it is though, you need to pay the damn tip or stay your ass at home.
If I had a restaurant though I'd have a set hourly rate. I'd attract more customers that way too cause when people come they only paying menu price when they walk out.
System as it is though, you need to pay the damn tip or stay your ass at home.
They also blur out the snatch in Japanese porn. I aint trying to use them as an example for anything tbh
Babelipsss
Active Member
Stop it. Geishas aren't free.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
The idea that its stupid to tip someone for doing their job is retarded. People deserve to get paid for working. If someone performs a service for you, you're going to pay them one way or the other. At a restaurant, it's either going to be a tip or a service charge added on to your meal. At least with the tip, you get to choose how much you pay based on how good the service was. With a service charge, you're going to pay what they say no matter what your server did.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
The point is that if they were paid a proper hourly wage then their anxiety about receiving tips drops. A tip becomes a perk of the job instead of your lifeline. No one is saying they can't make tips if they were paid more, they can, they just don't need to rely on tips just to hit minimum.
ok...i can see your point on this one
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
Do you tip anyone else for doing their job though? Serious question.
Do you tip the IT guy for fixing your PC after you fucked it up going to fatebonyassesandtitties.com? Do you tip your plumber? Do you tip the carpenter after you put a hole in the wall? Do you tip the HVAC guy? Outside of possibly your barber or a cab/uber driver do you tip ANYONE for simply doing the job they were hired for? Those are all service industry jobs, aren't we supposed to tip people working in the service industry?
No.
So if that's the case, then why is it unreasonable to NOT tip a waiter?
Oh, so you're gonna pull that "they only make $2 and change an hour and use tips to make up the rest" outcha ass? Dig this: On the west coast, top to bottom, and here in Nevada, waitstaff are paid at LEAST minimum wage, but typically better. In Oregon and Washington they're paid no less than $9/hr legally. The laws in these two states have a set minimum you can pay your waitstaff that exceeds the federal minimum wage all together. California, Nevada, Minnesota, West Virginia, and Connecticut all have it set to match or slightly exceed federal minimum wage with a few cities in Cali having their minimum for waitstaff at over $10/hr. They're not under the same pressure for tips, and you still get good service so tipping in those states is exactly what it was always supposed to be: an extra perk for exceptional service.
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LurkerSix
OG
Best part is i heard this on NPR and the reporter didnt challenge anything he said about that part, even those he was introduced as a restaurateur with multiples spots smh. I beleive it was a segment on a wage for wait staff. For to get a high hourly wage and he saying that would put them outa biz
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
It wouldn't, and 7 states have already proven that much. They just want more money at the end of the day and that's why restaurant owners have fought so hard to keep their $2.15 minimum wage the same for damned near 30 years.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/minimum-wage-restaurant-workers_n_1515916.html
"... But since 1966, a sub-section of the minimum wage has existed for people who work for gratuities, known as the "tipped minimum wage," which Congress last bumped to $2.13 per hour in 1991. Some states have increased the tipped minimum wage on their own as well -- and Washington, like six other states, has no tipped minimum wage at all, so servers earn a full $9.04 before gratuities. About half of all states, however, continue to allow restaurants to pay servers $2.13, provided they make up the difference if the server doesn't reach the standard minimum wage after tips.
The cost of living, meanwhile, has continued to climb.
"As far as income goes, I made more 20 years ago than I do now, effectively," says Williams, who has a bachelor's degree but prefers to work in restaurants. "My affluent friends, their jaws drop when I tell them."
Under this system, gratuities aren't really gratuities. They constitute the vast majority of a server's salary. Instead of giving a server a bonus for good service, diners are essentially subsidizing many servers' legally guaranteed wages.
And as the tipped minimum wage has remained the same, diners have been subsidizing a growing portion of that guaranteed wage over the years. Servers, meanwhile, are increasingly relying on customers to keep them on pace with inflation.
Being paid a mere $2.13 an hour before tips might not be a big deal for a server at a four-star restaurant in Manhattan, where tips are generous and workers can earn a better-than-decent living. But for a career server working at, say, a pancake house in rural Kansas, an extra couple of bucks an hour could make a huge difference."
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The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
Because pretty much every example you named has the service charge included right into the bill. A lot of those bills are itemized and you'll see "service" or "labor" factored right into the bill. When you go to a restaurant, you don't see that. You just get a price for the meal, which essentially just covers the food, preparation, and profit the restaurant wants to make. Restaurants don't really include the server pay in that price. They rely on tips to do most of they paying for their servers. Now you can say that shouldn't happen, and that's fine. But like I pointed out, when restaurants move away from a tipping system, they move towards adding a service charge onto the bill or they raise the prices of the meals to cover serving costs.. Either way, you're going to be paying that server. That's how business works. Again, your choice is to pay the server what you think they deserve or pay the server what the restaurant thinks they deserve. Yes, I think it's stupid to whine about the first option when in my estimation, it's the better option.
TheNightKing
J.A.P.A.N.
He's right if he keeps his prices the same.
If these people were smart and could pull it off they could pay waiters a wage of $20 (avg with tips is $12 nationally), increase prices 15%, and make even more money:
This is assuming they're open 360 days a year.
And this is all profit cause their overhead and cost outside of wages is exactly the same.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
Actually, you're wrong. The server's pay is a part of the restaurant's overhead just like every other employee's pay is. The owner is legally required to make up the difference if a server's tips plus their hourly wage don't add up to minimum wage, so at a bare minimum they're supposed to include that as a part of their operating budget. What you believe would have merit if it wasn't for the fact that there are restaurants in every one of the states on the west coast that already pay their servers minimum wage or higher. Their pay is factored into the overhead of the establishment just like every other employee.
As for labor charges for other services: Those establishments also factor in their employees wages into their overhead. Labor charges do not go into the worker's pocket like that. If there's no work, they still get paid their hourly wage for being there and available to do work should it come along. They're just allowed to charge for labor as a line-item when it's time to bill the client/customer.
Do you really think auto mechanics get that $70-$90/hr you get charged for "labor" when you pull up to get a new fuel pump installed???
nope.
On average they only make about $18-$20/hr, so where do you think the rest of that money goes? Can you even justify being charged that much when you also pay for parts as well as "shop items"?
It's all for optics. They don't get paid out of the labor charge, they get paid out of the operating budget.