Hulu announces ‘Freaknik: The Wildest Party Never Told’ documentary

[The Lonious Monk]

So are you saying those dudes should somehow get a pass? Because all it seems so far is you trying to excuse behavior that you admit is inexcusable. Even in strip clubs you can't just randomly grope the women so that analogy don't even work the way you think it does. Also the fact that you think that dudes who somehow feel more comfortable harassing women in large groups at a public event is somehow not as bad as a woman being harassed under "normal" circumstances is some wild mental gymnastics. It's ok to just not try and justify or find the devils advocate side of everything. Some shit is just wrong.

It's not about playing devil's advocate. I just feel like you're being disingenuous as seen by the bold.

I'm not saying nothing bad happened at Freaknik. There were most certainly examples of rape and sexual assault that were wrong by any standards. That's fine, and no, nobody deserves a pass for that. My problem is that you and others are trying to paint Freaknik as some common event where people came in and started behaving badly. That's just factually incorrect. The "behaving badly" was the whole purpose of the event. By the time I was old enough to understand what Freaknik was, literally the only narrative around it from either men or women was "Everybody is out there getting freaky in public." If going into the event, every participant's expectation is that it's a gropefest, who is out of place or wrong, the gropers or the people that are mad about being groped?

I never went because I never had any desire to grope random women and didn't want to be a part of that. Women who didn't want to be groped shouldn't have gone either. There was nothing good for them there. If they knew that and went anyway, whose fault was it?

 

[DOS_patos]

It's not about playing devil's advocate. I just feel like you're being disingenuous as seen by the bold.

I'm not saying nothing bad happened at Freaknik. There were most certainly examples of rape and sexual assault that were wrong by any standards. That's fine, and no, nobody deserves a pass for that. My problem is that you and others are trying to paint Freaknik as some common event where people came in and started behaving badly. That's just factually incorrect. The "behaving badly" was the whole purpose of the event. By the time I was old enough to understand what Freaknik was, literally the only narrative around it from either men or women was "Everybody is out there getting freaky in public." If going into the event, every participant's expectation is that it's a gropefest, who is out of place or wrong, the gropers or the people that are mad about being groped?

I never went because I never had any desire to grope random women and didn't want to be a part of that. Women who didn't want to be groped shouldn't have gone either. There was nothing good for them there. If they knew that and went anyway, whose fault was it?

I don’t think people went to grope women but to see half naked women yea.
But then it turned into that grope just to grope cuz y’all deep type shit.

Some of them ladies allowed it because they were petrified and what could they do? So one guy seemed to be allowed then the group thinks it’s ok. Never thinking the chick was scared or smiling it off cuz she was scared. Not sure how it was anywhere else.

Just another case of everybody shouldn’t be allowed to come.

 

[BlackRain]

It's not about playing devil's advocate. I just feel like you're being disingenuous as seen by the bold.

I'm not saying nothing bad happened at Freaknik. There were most certainly examples of rape and sexual assault that were wrong by any standards. That's fine, and no, nobody deserves a pass for that. My problem is that you and others are trying to paint Freaknik as some common event where people came in and started behaving badly. That's just factually incorrect. The "behaving badly" was the whole purpose of the event. By the time I was old enough to understand what Freaknik was, literally the only narrative around it from either men or women was "Everybody is out there getting freaky in public." If going into the event, every participant's expectation is that it's a gropefest, who is out of place or wrong, the gropers or the people that are mad about being groped?

I never went because I never had any desire to grope random women and didn't want to be a part of that. Women who didn't want to be groped shouldn't have gone either. There was nothing good for them there. If they knew that and went anyway, whose fault was it?

I'm not trying to paint the entire Freaknik event as one thing. Hence why I've said in multiple posts that I know and can understand why folks who were down there partying and doing shit with consent are annoyed at this coming back out. What I also said is that there were instances of assault and harassment and if you don't want to be seen as someone who was assaulting or harassing women then you shouldn't have been participating in it if you don't want that label attached to you. The words harassment and assault inherently mean there's also a lack of consent so why the need to keep trying to conflate those who were acting with consent vs those who weren't makes no sense. You keep talking about people who did things they wanted to and I'm talking about people who had things done to them. It's 2 different things.

 

[konceptjones]

I’m saying this. Not everything was sexual assault adults can be grown and be freaky and be loose. But to act like a doc isn’t going to talk about why it may have been hampered is a little odd. This is for us by us we should be able to check ourselves without feeling attacked.

We already know exactly why it was hampered: The 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. The mayor couldn't have Black folks acting an ass in the streets around that time and business owners wanted to be sure they got in on all the money that would be generated by the Olympics being held there. The mayor got the police to curb the shit outta Freaknic and it never recovered after that year. This has been known. I remember my boys coming back talking about it and it was also in the news.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I'm not trying to paint the entire Freaknik event as one thing. Hence why I've said in multiple posts that I know and can understand why folks who were down there partying and doing shit with consent are annoyed at this coming back out. What I also said is that there were instances of assault and harassment and if you don't want to be seen as someone who was assaulting or harassing women then you shouldn't have been participating in it if you don't want that label attached to you. The words harassment and assault inherently mean there's also a lack of consent so why the need to keep trying to conflate those who were acting with consent vs those who weren't makes no sense. You keep talking about people who did things they wanted to and I'm talking about people who had things done to them. It's 2 different things.

Alright, we don't disagree then.

All I was saying is that, when this shit comes out, you're going to see video of people doing shit that seems like SA, but isn't because the consent was there. That context matters. If you just post that video without the context, it can falsely represent someone.

We agree that shit happened without consent, and we agree that was wrong.

I'm just a realist and I believe in personal accountability. You're talking about an event that was very sexually charged. Most of the people there were drunk and/or high. The chicks were dressed crazy. The method for getting consent back then was pretty much "I'm going to touch her a little, and if she doesn't get mad then I'm good." (which was not a good thing to be clear) That's basically a recipe for disaster, so no one should have gone to Freaknik if they weren't about being a part of debauchery.

 

[IP360]

...wait til Hulu do a doc on Black Bikers Weekend at Myrtle Beach.

 

[DOS_patos]

Alright, we don't disagree then.

All I was saying is that, when this shit comes out, you're going to see video of people doing shit that seems like SA, but isn't because the consent was there. That context matters. If you just post that video without the context, it can falsely represent someone.

We agree that shit happened without consent, and we agree that was wrong.

I'm just a realist and I believe in personal accountability. You're talking about an event that was very sexually charged. Most of the people there were drunk and/or high. The chicks were dressed crazy. The method for getting consent back then was pretty much "I'm going to touch her a little, and if she doesn't get mad then I'm good." (which was not a good thing to be clear) That's basically a recipe for disaster, so no one should have gone to Freaknik if they weren't about being a part of debauchery.

Ehhhh
I was with you up til your last point.
Did some ladies go to hook up, yes.
Did guys go to hook up, yes.
But some went to enjoy the atmosphere and not actually partake in hooking up or other fuckery.

Guys stuntin with they bikes…hundreds of them. Chicks in thongs on the back of them bikes.
Chicks hanging out car windows and sunroofs.
Loud music
Three hour and only move a block.
Seeing classmates.

it’s them fuck Niggas and they offspring that fucks it up for everyone. Something that was a good time, messed up cuz niggas had numbers and pack mentality.

 

[DOS_patos]

...wait til Hulu do a doc on Black Bikers Weekend at Myrtle Beach.

I heard about this.
Just as crazy

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Ehhhh
I was with you up til your last point.
Did some ladies go to hook up, yes.
Did guys go to hook up, yes.
But some went to enjoy the atmosphere and not actually partake in hooking up or other fuckery.

Guys stuntin with they bikes…hundreds of them. Chicks in thongs on the back of them bikes.
Chicks hanging out car windows and sunroofs.
Loud music
Three hour and only move a block.
Seeing classmates.

it’s them fuck Niggas and they offspring that fucks it up for everyone. Something that was a good time, messed up cuz niggas had numbers and pack mentality.

What period of it are you talking about because what you're describing is supposedly how it started out. I'm talking about '96 or so.

I'm not saying none of that other stuff happened, but nobody was driving 4 hours from Columbia, SC to ATL for loud music and to see their classmates.

 

[DOS_patos]

Hold our brothers to a higher standard. A lot of y’all not you specifically. Be on that “he a victim of metoo movement trying destroy the Black man”

You can just @ me next time.

It’s obvious you still don’t get it but ok.

Both can be true but ok

 

[DOS_patos]

What period of it are you talking about because what you're describing is supposedly how it started out. I'm talking about '96 or so.

I'm not saying none of that other stuff happened, but nobody was driving 4 hours from Columbia, SC to ATL for loud music and to see their classmates.

I’m talking in philly. Erie ave and broad st to be specific.
Had to be maybe ‘99 ?
I remember like it was yesterday.
Niggas was straight foul

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I’m talking in philly. Erie ave and broad st to be specific.
Had to be maybe ‘99 ?
I remember like it was yesterday.
Niggas was straight foul

You talking about something else then. Freaknik was in ATL. All that other shit that popped up briefly in other places was just people trying to reclaim what was lost when Freaknik died.

The whole shit was foul, which is largely my point. It wasn't a good event. It just feels like some people on here are trying to paint it as a standard gathering of black people with some bad actors. To me, the whole event was built on a fucked up foundation.

 

[IP360]

I heard about this.
Just as crazy

Yup.

I went like 01' to 07' had a ball. A lot of women was down to do whateva...if you allowed them to. It was fucc niggas who'd fucc it up for everyone.

I'm talmbout the niggas you acted like they never seen pussy b4. Like you mentioned...that pack mentality. You ask for a pic...a chick would be willing to take one wit one. She'll let you palm her azzz. Or...she'll show a lil more. When you let do on her own accord.

But it was the niggas that wanna slide they dirty azzz, crusty azzz fingers in as she's showing shyt. Or be overly aggressive to the point where other niggas had to tell them to chill, then block them out.

Aside from that...it was a good time. Still got the photo albums of all the pics I took. Me and my homeboy made sure we had them disposable cameras on deck. Lol.

Stopped goin after 07'. From there I heard it went downhill. Niggas started to nig and began shootin on the damn strip. Then the city started pushing that shyt over to Atlantic Beach. I knew it was a wrap after that.

 

[Big_Ev]

...wait til Hulu do a doc on Black Bikers Weekend at Myrtle Beach.

Or that one Puerto Rican Day Parade.

 

[DOS_patos]

Or that one Puerto Rican Day Parade.

It was called whirling or something.

They was just ripping clothes of chicks.

Sad shit

 

[DOS_patos]

You talking about something else then. Freaknik was in ATL. All that other shit that popped up briefly in other places was just people trying to reclaim what was lost when Freaknik died.

The whole shit was foul, which is largely my point. It wasn't a good event. It just feels like some people on here are trying to paint it as a standard gathering of black people with some bad actors. To me, the whole event was built on a fucked up foundation.

Well maybe I don’t remember it like it was yesterday.

Maybe it was the Greek weekend or something…..I just know what I saw was like yesterday.

 

[IP360]

Or that one Puerto Rican Day Parade.

I remember seeing videos of that shyt. Smh.

 

[konceptjones]

...wait til Hulu do a doc on Black Bikers Weekend at Myrtle Beach.

Kappa Beach, Black Spring Break... alladem.

Folks in Detroit talmbout they ain't worried about Freaknic, but if they ever did one on Belle Isle from '93-2000, Rouge Park, or the Jefferson Strip THEN it's time to worry.

 

[DOS_patos]

See this first part…….
I hate these type dudes.
All that wasn’t needed and she’s alone in a bikini and niggas just gonna touch and move her shit like that.
This why I can’t be around this type shit.
I woulda got jumped that day.

 

[5th Letter]