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OPINION Should college in the U.S. be free? Should college debt be forgiven?

AZTG said:
Fam the shit yall saying is just wild crazy to me.

The fact that you have to research to make education affordable is the issue here.

There is no reason for shit to be this expensive. Its a scam.
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I’m not disagreeing w u but it’s the system we live in today......so make the best of it
 
Elzo69Renaissance said:
But it’s not....until further notice this what we have to deal with .....make the best of it
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no. thats why yall continue to vote and continue to subscribe to these violent institutions because youre too lazy and blinded by capitalism to demand more.

the whole point for social change is for you to push & organize for the things that the status quo says are unrealistic.
 
This the same scam as health care is.

You go to the hospital without insurance, they do blood work, charge your ass $2,000.

You go to the hospital with insurance, they do the same fucking blood work, and charge your insurance $200.

Shit is fucking illegal, but since mfers are paying the govt off, its legal.

Shit is a fucking scam.

If they charged individuals the same price that they charge insurance companies for that same individual, most of us would be better off without insurance.

Instead they charge individuals 10 times more and force everyone to have insurance.

Its a fucking scam.
 
AZTG said:
This the same scam as health care is.

You go to the hospital without insurance, they do blood work, charge your ass $2,000.

You go to the hospital with insurance, they do the same fucking blood work, and charge your insurance $200.

Shit is fucking illegal, but since mfers are paying the govt off, its legal.

Shit is a fucking scam.

If they charged individuals the same price that they charge insurance companies for that same individual, most of us would be better off without insurance.

Instead they charge individuals 10 times more and force everyone to have insurance.

Its a fucking scam.
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I’m at the hospital right now lol and I agree but once again it’s the system we have today so we gotta deal w it....vote for Bernie and maybe we won’t but until then .... this where we are w it
 
whew* yalls politics are ass.

whenever yall r not rooting for sex offenders, youre rallying around faulty educational systems.
 
DMorgan said:
I know this will be an unpopular opinion.

I'm staunchly against free college and eliminating student loan debt for everyone. I'm not empathetic at all to people to who rack up huge student loan debts.

You chose that shit you pay for it.
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needs to be free af
 
Thor said:
Simple shit bruh.


Folks want everything laid out in perfect formation for them
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Yall killing me today fam.

I pay 31% income tax. A little bit to the state. 7% on shit I buy. Then theres taxes on my phone bill. Taxes on my cable bill. Tax on my car. Tax on my home.

Im giving all this fucking money to the govt and their only job is to lay out everything in perfect formation for me.

"Lets not expect the govt to actually lay everything out for us"

Why not? Thats their job. Hold them mfers accountable.
 
AZTG said:
Yall killing me today fam.

I pay 31% income tax. A little bit to the state. 7% on shit I buy. Then theres taxes on my phone bill. Taxes on my cable bill. Tax on my car. Tax on my home.

Im giving all this fucking money to the govt and their only job is to lay out everything in perfect formation for me.

"Lets not expect the govt to actually lay everything out for us"

Why not? Thats their job. Hold them mfers accountable.
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how Are u holding them accountable?
 
@AZTG we are saying the same thing I spend more than the majority of Americans make a yr on healthcare alone and I hate that shit but it’s where we are today.... hence why I back and donate candidates looking to change this system
 
Elzo69Renaissance said:
I’m at the hospital right now lol and I agree but once again it’s the system we have today so we gotta deal w it....vote for Bernie and maybe we won’t but until then .... this where we are w it
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And this is cool. I got no issues with feeling like this.

Its the mfers in here that think everything is fine and this is how it SHOULD be thats killin me right now.

Also stay up fam. Hospitals the most depressing place you can be. Hope it aint nothing too serious.
 
lets talk about the countless ppl with degrees unable to work in their respective job fields. lets talk about jobs offering to pay $15 to those with tenured degrees. lets talk about the millions of americans drowning in debt.

fuck the bootstrapism here.

just because you survived on oodles and noodles every day for 6 years at uni doesnt mean everyone else can or should.

the whole “i did it so you should/can” is the problem

you shouldnt have had to suffer throughout your college career and neither should anybody else.
 
Race Jones said:
i read the article sir. the only way she was able to attend community college because she was enrolled into a special program which covered her college expenses.

she has since gone on to further her education and it is now struggling financially even as a NY resident.

“Young, meanwhile, is now a student at City College, a public four-year school in New York City, Young’s financial calculus has become even more complicated. Her financial aid isn’t enough to cover her total cost and she has an outstanding balance at the school that she estimates is between $4,000 and 5,000 for three semesters at the school (one which starts in the fall)”
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BECAUSE SHE WENT TO A COMMUNITY COLLEGE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN MANY MAJOR UNIVERSITIES!!!

Yes, she had to do that!!! The average nigga living in anywhere NOT NYC, and specifically NOT MANHATTAN doesn't have that problem!

If you're low income and qualify for the maximum for a Pell Grant anywhere else in the country, guess what? Community college is FREE because the max amount covers everything. How are you unable to afford free??? Even if you don't the max, get your ass out there and get a fuckin' job. I worked 40-45hrs a week and took 12 credits a semester fall and winter and 6 credits spring/summer for two years before transferring back to EMU in the fall of '93. I was making $4.25/hr back then. Twice a month I would take on a DJ gig for $250 a night to make ends meet. And I'm lightweight, I've personally known cats working two jobs and going to school full time.

It's all about the individual's determination. If it's something you really want, you'll find a way to make it happen.
 
DMorgan said:
What most people need to realize is college ain't for everyone. When a market gets oversaturated with something the value of said thing goes down. In this discussion it's college degrees. With so many people going to college the schools need more teachers, more facilities, etc. So in order to pay for that tuition has to rise. The rate its rising is too much to fast but outside of that it has to go up.

If a person chooses that route as the game of life they choose to play then they need to pay for it cause that is the choice they made.

You say this as if its a negative alternative to going into debt for a useless in most fields college experience.
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Teachers need degrees as well tho I get it the blue collar jobs make money and it’s a lot of folks who don’t need degrees. But owning a business with no schooling at all seems crazy
 
AZTG said:
Me? Nothing. Shout out to ODB.

Im the worst type of mfer fam. Ill point out all the flaws but wont get involved for shit. Lmao.

Im hoping good people keep fighting the good figjt though.
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That’s my point we can try to change shit but until then we got to deal w the shit how it is
 
Race Jones said:
fuck the hyper-indviaulaism. the system should be affordable for all ppl.
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ASU should not cost the same as U of M.

Jussayin. U of M is one of the best schools in the world. It's consistently one of the top 3, if not the top public university in the country. No way going to the top party school in the country like ASU costs the same.
 
AZTG said:
This the same scam as health care is.

You go to the hospital without insurance, they do blood work, charge your ass $2,000.

You go to the hospital with insurance, they do the same fucking blood work, and charge your insurance $200.

Shit is fucking illegal, but since mfers are paying the govt off, its legal.

Shit is a fucking scam.

If they charged individuals the same price that they charge insurance companies for that same individual, most of us would be better off without insurance.

Instead they charge individuals 10 times more and force everyone to have insurance.

Its a fucking scam.
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When British people hear what Americans are paying for healthcare, their reaction is priceless
 
konceptjones said:
ASU should not cost the same as U of M.

Jussayin. U of M is one of the best schools in the world. It's consistently one of the top 3, if not the top public university in the country. No way going to the top party school in the country like ASU costs the same.
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Fam, top universities around the world maintain their top university status just by having crazy high acceptance criterias. Making schools free wont mean U of M isnt a top college anymore.

This literally happens all around the world. My cousin is in one of the top universities in the world right now and not paying shit cause she scored high as fuck on whatever exam.

This is stockholm syndrome man. Americas systems are built on scams and even though there are better systems all around the world, yall still defending these scams here even though they fucking the average joe over.

Maybe yall mfers should travel abroad more and see different systems that exist out there. Some of yall might be some see it to believe it ass mfers.
 
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