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President Trump plans to sign an executive order that would remove the right to citizenship for babies of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on U.S. soil, he said yesterday in an exclusive interview for "Axios on HBO," a new four-part documentary news series debuting on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 p.m. ET/PT.

Why it matters: This would be the most dramatic move yet in Trump's hardline immigration campaign, this time targeting "anchor babies" and "chain migration." And it will set off another stand-off with the courts, as Trump’s power to do this through executive action is debatable to say the least.

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Trump told "Axios on HBO" that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.

  • "It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said, declaring he can do it by executive order.
  • When told that's very much in dispute, Trump replied: "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."
  • "We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits," Trump continued. "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end." (More than 30 countries, most in the Western Hemisphere, provide birthright citizenship.)
  • "It's in the process. It'll happen ... with an executive order."
The president expressed surprise that "Axios on HBO" knew about his secret plan: "I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. "

  • Behind the scenes: "Axios on HBO" had been working for weeks on a story on Trump’s plans for birthright citizenship, based on conversations with several sources, including one close to the White House Counsel’s office.
The legal challenges would force the courts to decide on a constitutional debate over the 14th Amendment, which says:

  • "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
Be smart: Few immigration and constitutional scholars believe it is within the president's power to change birthright citizenship, former U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services chief counsel Lynden Melmed tells Axios.

  • But some conservatives have argued that the 14th Amendment was only intended to provide citizenship to children born in the U.S. to lawful permanent residents — not to unauthorized immigrants or those on temporary visas.
  • John Eastman, a constitutional scholar and director of Chapman University's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, told "Axios on HBO" that the Constitution has been misapplied over the past 40 or so years. He says the line "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" originally referred to people with full, political allegiance to the U.S. — green card holders and citizens.
Michael Anton, a former national security official in the Trump administration, recently took up this argument in the Washington Post.

  • Anton said that Trump could, via executive order, "specify to federal agencies that the children of noncitizens are not citizens" simply because they were born on U.S. soil. (It’s not yet clear whether Trump will take this maximalist argument, though his previous rhetoric suggests there’s a good chance.)
  • But others — such as Judge James C. Ho, who was appointed by Trump to Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, in New Orleans — say the line in the amendment refers to the legal obligation to follow U.S. laws, which applies to all foreign visitors (except diplomats) and immigrants. He has written that changing how the 14th Amendment is applied would be "unconstitutional."
Between the lines: Until the 1960s, the 14th Amendment was never applied to undocumented or temporary immigrants, Eastman said.

  • Between 1980 and 2006, the number of births to unauthorized immigrants — which opponents of birthright citizenship call "anchor babies" — skyrocketed to a peak of 370,000, according to a 2016 study by Pew Research. It then declined slightly during and following the Great Recession.
  • The Supreme Court has already ruled that children born to immigrants who are legal permanent residents have citizenship. But those who claim the 14th Amendment should not apply to everyone point to the fact that there has been no ruling on a case specifically involving undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status.
The bottom line: If Trump follows through on the executive order, "the courts would have to weigh in in a way they haven't," Eastman said.
 
That shit never made sense to me that a pregnant woman that is a citizen of another country who just might be here on vacation has her baby and that baby just cause they were born here is automatically an american citizen.

I don't have a problem with that or the babies born of illegal immigrants not automatically being citizens.

Why should I? I'm open to someone giving me a different perspective on this.
 
That's fucked yup. So a kid that has never lived in a country can get deported to it. What happened to give us your masses, I guess only pale face masses smh

I would say the same thing that happened to "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
 
I would say the same thing that happened to "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness."
Good ol double standard America
 
Good ol double standard America

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That shit never made sense to me that a pregnant woman that is a citizen of another country who just might be here on vacation has her baby and that baby just cause they were born here is automatically an american citizen.

I don't have a problem with that or the babies born of illegal immigrants not automatically being citizens.

Why should I? I'm open to someone giving me a different perspective on this.

In a situation like what you described that person most likely won't try to claim any benefits of American citizenship. What this order is doing is going after "anchor babies" aka non white Latin immigrants...and those babies shouldn't be denied citizenship of the country they're born in
 
In a situation like what you described that person most likely won't try to claim any benefits of American citizenship. What this order is doing is going after "anchor babies" aka non white Latin immigrants...and those babies shouldn't be denied citizenship of the country they're born in

Actually I had a co-worker who said many South America women who have spouses with money come to america to have their babies just so their kids can have citizenship here.

Why though? Their parents are not citizens so just because their baby is born here. Why "SHOULD" the baby automatically get citizenship here?
 
I see both sides.

Mainly due to my proximity to the fucking border.

I have seen the extenuating circumstances and I have seen the shit show that is overstaying on purpose.

I remember when Juarez got real bad and some Mexican Mafia boss got shot over there, chased across the border to the hospital and had the whole facilty put on lockdown.
 
Actually I had a co-worker who said many South America women who have spouses with money come to america to have their babies just so their kids can have citizenship here.

Why though? Their parents are not citizens so just because their baby is born here. Why "SHOULD" the baby automatically get citizenship here?

That's not the same as a woman coming here on vacation who just happened to go into labor....which is what you described in your initial post. Those women in your response aren't just here on a vacation clearly.

As for why should they get citizenship...if they are productive members of society, pay taxes and aren't doing anyone any harm then why shouldn't they?
 
That's not the same as a woman coming here on vacation who just happened to go into labor....which is what you described in your initial post. Those women in your response aren't just here on a vacation clearly.

As for why should they get citizenship...if they are productive members of society, pay taxes and aren't doing anyone any harm then why shouldn't they?

I know it ain't the same but just stating that people do shit to claim benefits.

A baby is to young to be a productive member of society and pay taxes. So again why should the baby automatically get citizenship when their parents are illegal and actual citizens of another country?
 
But in all reality this will never get through the courts and Trump knows it.

He’s just trying to get all the white identity extremists out of the news cycle by throwing more red meat to his base.
 
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