OPINION The Wire - A Hindsight Discussion

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Infamous114 said:
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Yes.........and no.


The biggest problem with the Barksdale crew was that Stringer and Avon couldn't get on the same page.


Both of them had different agendas..........and their egos played a part in their downfall.


Hated String for what he did to D'Angelo, but......if Avon had listened to him......they'd be able to do everything String envisioned.


Simply because Slim Charles and the people with him could've taken out Marlo's whole crew at the rim shop.


But because Stringer worked with Bunny Colvin to get Avon out of the way........Slim wasn't able to get the word from Avon to act on it because the cops had already raided Avon's spot:





So, yeah........there's always gonna be a Marlo..........but they could've easily taken him out and gone back to business as usual.
 
On another note, with everything going on with the supply chain/shipping ports and trucking...........we need another season 2 themed season of The Wire.


Instead of just including the docks........focus more on the truckers and their role in that whole ecosystem.
 
deadeye said:
Yes.........and no.


The biggest problem with the Barksdale crew was that Stringer and Avon couldn't get on the same page.


Both of them had different agendas..........and their egos played a part in their downfall.


Hated String for what he did to D'Angelo, but......if Avon had listened to him......they'd be able to do everything String envisioned.


Simply because Slim Charles and the people with him could've taken out Marlo's whole crew at the rim shop.


But because Stringer worked with Bunny Colvin to get Avon out of the way........Slim wasn't able to get the word from Avon to act on it because the cops had already raided Avon's spot:





So, yeah........there's always gonna be a Marlo..........but they could've easily taken him out and gone back to business as usual.
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Stringer was shown to be wrong and full of hubris at every turn.

Avon's "not hard enough for this game and not smart enough for the game out there" speech was definitive.

There is no conflict. Avon won and is still shown to be king (paid tribute by Marlo, runs things from Jail, Slim keeping his seat warm) while Stringer is gunned down both figuratively by his business partners and literally the streets.
 
PhenomTheMac said:
Stringer was shown to be wrong and full of hubris at every turn.

Avon's "not hard enough for this game and not smart enough for the game out there" speech was definitive.

There is no conflict. Avon won and is still shown to be king (paid tribute by Marlo, runs things from Jail, Slim keeping his seat warm) while Stringer is gunned down both figuratively by his business partners and literally the streets.
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Stringer's jealousy led to the downfall of the Barksdale organization.


But so did Avon's stubbornness.


If he had given Stringer permission to move Prop Joe's product in Season 2, then Stringer would've never felt the need to try and set up Mouzone and Omar to kill each other.


All of that was done to cover up the deal he made with Joe.


Now, Avon's argument was that it would've given Prop Joe too much influence over the Towers.


However, if Stringer doesn't make that deal with Joe.........they lose the towers altogether because they didn't have any other options available.


All of the suppliers Avon suggested were trash.


Keep in mind, the Barksdale organization wasn't really the Barksdale organization.


It was the Barksdale and Bell organization.


So, again, if they had managed to stay on the same page........Marlo would've still been a threat, but he would've eventually got dealt with.


If you remember, towards the end of Season 2..........Avon relented and agreed that the deal with Joe made sense, but by then the damage had already been done with the botched hit on Omar and Mouzone.


That right there shows that Stringer wasn't as off track as you think because, if he was, then Avon would've never realized that String was right all along about needing to work with Joe to stay in business.


Basically, Avon's stubbornness led to Stringer fucking up to save the business.


If he had just listened to him from the jump, the Barksdale organization would still be in power............Avon wouldn't have had to agree to Stringer's death to keep his line open to New York...........and Stringer would've never felt the need to lock Avon up.
 
deadeye said:
Stringer's jealousy led to the downfall of the Barksdale organization.


But so did Avon's stubbornness.


If he had given Stringer permission to move Prop Joe's product in Season 2, then Stringer would've never felt the need to try and set up Mouzone and Omar to kill each other.


All of that was done to cover up the deal he made with Joe.


Now, Avon's argument was that it would've given Prop Joe too much influence over the Towers.


However, if Stringer doesn't make that deal with Joe.........they lose the towers altogether because they didn't have any other options available.


All of the suppliers Avon suggested were trash.


Keep in mind, the Barksdale organization wasn't really the Barksdale organization.


It was the Barksdale and Bell organization.


So, again, if they had managed to stay on the same page........Marlo would've still been a threat, but he would've eventually got dealt with.


If you remember, towards the end of Season 2..........Avon relented and agreed that the deal with Joe made sense, but by then the damage had already been done with the botched hit on Omar and Mouzone.


That right there shows that Stringer wasn't as off track as you think because, if he was, then Avon would've never realized that String was right all along about needing to work with Joe to stay in business.


Basically, Avon's stubbornness led to Stringer fucking up to save the business.


If he had just listened to him from the jump, the Barksdale organization would still be in power............Avon wouldn't have had to agree to Stringer's death to keep his line open to New York...........and Stringer would've never felt the need to lock Avon up.
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I mean yeah that's how they painted it from Stringer's point of view. That he was backed into a corner and forced to make moves. But, the show goes on to show that Avon would have found a way forward had Stringer waited.

He eventually got a line to the Greek while inside. And short of that, Brother Mouzoune was his line to New York, a relationship that would ultimately lead to Stringer's demise.

Stringer's disloyalty is shown as a straight line to his death. Its a point that gets reiterated over and again as the partnership deteriorates (told you about playing those away games, the game is the game, the king stays the king). Ultimately Avon -- the king -- remains as such while the game resets around him, and Strigner -- the queen-- is able to be cornered and captured by two pieces.
 
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