Anything anti market (tho im for regulations). Big overbearing government that may eventually lead to total suppression of political dissent. Authoritarianism etc
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Rubato
it only matters to us
The intent is to deceive, which is the backbone of modern politics. It’s not unimportant.
Peace_79
Black Excellence
It’s not just “term usage”.
It is weaponzing mainstream language to neutralize any activism towards obtaining equal rights for marginalized groups.
It is subtle and extremely potent.
Convince the average American that Black Lives Matter is just a form of “Identity Politics”, then you devalue an entire movement in the mind of that Average American.
You, in effect, garner the public opinion and support necessary the justify the systemized slaughter of unarmed, innocent specific types of people by the very law enforcement agencies constitutionally obligated to protect them... all with the simple “usage” of a “term”.
Im all for activism. Im not for some of the practices by extremists on either side.
Inori
NAWF
What do you mean by anti-market?... seeing as how most countries markets for meds and a lot of other things cost substantially less than in the US?
Rubato
it only matters to us
There’s always gonna be a counter balance when one side goes too far.
But the point I was making is if you can gain control of how the conversation is framed you can control everything else too.
Im for black lives matter and activism.
Simply using the term 'identity politics', which has been used by some of yalls top 2 pick including mine, Bernie, is turning this convo somewhere unnecessary
Im not against regulation. Im talking about extremes. Capitalism unchecked is a disaster, as is socialism.
All i did was say leftist and identity politics i didnt think it was that deep but thanks for clarifying
Playmaker88
G Money is Cash
If used in the same fashion yeah.. I'm pretty sure he did rail against identity politics so did Pete but that's neither here nor there given what I described as identity politics being apart of the birth of the nation
Peace_79
Black Excellence
Bernie is not above criticism.
He’s a 70+ white guy. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is out of touch with modern political strategies of the right; even if theyse strategies have insidious roots in our country and even if it is in the course of Bernie being well intentioned.
But if he spoke against “Identity politics”, IMO he was wrong.
Doesn’t take away from everything else he is right about.
Playmaker88
G Money is Cash
Yes Bernie Sanders is uncomfortable as fuck about race i remember this statement.. its foolish and shows ignorance. it glosses over the facts i laid out that there was only one identity that was allowed in politics
Whats foolish/ignorant about saying dont vote for someone JUST BC they are [insert demographic here] without looking at their qualifications/policies?
Peace_79
Black Excellence
There is nothing wrong with the first few paragraphs.
The problem IMO, is that he conflates “identity politics” with something most reasonable people object to (voting for someone without substance) with the widespread connotation that the right wing has co-opted the term to mean - “being against any activism for the benefit of an oppressed group”.
He, thereby, perpetuates the right wing propaganda campaign to suppress such important groups from making progress towards equal rights.
He got conned into using their own talking point to make his argument. Conservatives are masters at dominating the narrative and framing the conversation.
Btw ... most progressives don’t vote for a candidate simply based on their identity. We vote based on issues. So in a sense it was a straw man argument to begin with.
The massive irony is that there is a party that, underneath the surface, votes almost primarily based on their identity... And that identity has traditionally been that of the oppressor, not the oppressed.
So their desire isn’t to secure equal treatment or additional rights ... it is to maintain supremacy.
Playmaker88
G Money is Cash
word they wont vote for anyone they cant have a beer with....
He never said 'screw identity politics' he said move beyond it. I guess maybe thats open to interpretation.
During the hillary run ive heard/read many ppl saying "its time we get a woman in office" n when she lost say "they dont wanna see a woman in office"
I dont know to what extent they voted for her but judging by those quotes it sounded pretty empty.
And again, when i talk about these things im referring to extreme viewpoints on this side of the fence, we can act like it only happens on one side but that does more harm than good.