The official COVID-19/Coronavirus Discussion Thread...aka I hope I don't get the Rona

We're too far into this pandemic for people to still be "debating" vaccines.

Lol, its banter…

You were in here talking mad shit about natural immunity - and that it didn’t exist - and you’re probably ‘to deep in the pandemic’ to admit you were wrong , which you don’t need to btw, from time to time you’ll simply get reminded that you were and quite possibly still are full of shit.

and yes, I know I’m petty lol.
 
Do you really believe hundreds of millions died from Covid fam? Its an obscure and fucked up discussion to have but worldwide it’s actually way less - 4.5 - and those include people that died with covid (like Colin Powell) and not because of Covid… The average age of death is around 84 worldwide it’s a horrible respiratory infection/ virus that took and takes to many of us but at the end of the day, the Rona is Comparable to a certain other seasonal and endemic respiratory virus people seem to underestimate …
My bad, I meant hundreds of thousands in the US is the number I was thinking of. Honest mistake.

And it's really not comparable based on deaths. The rate is much higher compared to seasonal flu.

Plus you have long haul covid which is not present with seasonal flu.
 

MIAMI (WSVN) - A Miami school that made headlines for saying it would penalize teachers who got the COVID-19 vaccine is now requiring students who get vaccinated to remain home for 30 days after each dose.

Parents of students at the Centner Academy recently received a letter from its Chief Operating Officer that read in part, “…if you are considering the vaccine for your Centner Academy student(s), we ask that you hold off until the Summer when there will be time for the potential transmission or shedding onto others to decrease.”

The letter also spelled out a quarantine rule for parents who still choose to vaccinate their children.

“Because of the potential impact on other students and our school community, vaccinated students will need to stay at home for 30 days post-vaccination for each dose and booster they receive and may return to school after 30 days as long as the student is healthy and symptom-free.”


Centner Academy first made headlines in April when the school’s owners told their staff to hold off on getting vaccinated.

“We’re not telling teachers that they can’t get [the vaccine], we’re just simply asking that they hold off a little bit,” said Joshua Hills, a parent and Centner Academy employee, back in April.

The school owners said the reasoning was over concerns on side effects and fears that those who get the shot will infect those who don’t get it.

“What happens 30 days after they get vaccinated? What kind of nonsense is this?” said Dr. Aileen Marty, an infectious disease expert at Florida International University. “Where did they get that? There’s nothing in the recommendations to that… they made that up. That’s science fiction, not even science fiction because it’s pure fiction.”

According to the Centers for Disease Control, none of the three vaccines authorized by the Food and Drug Administration use live viruses, meaning that they cannot make recipients sick with COVID-19.

“We’re not anti-vaxxers, we’re in favor of safe vaccines,” Hill said back in April. “Are these vaccines, is this injection 100% safe? As a parent of two children that go to this school, I’m not willing to take the chance on a question mark.”

Back in April, the Centner Academy said that employees who got the vaccine after April 22 would not be allowed to return to work at the academy. However, 7News was later told that teachers and employees who did decide to get vaccinated would not be fired, but they also wouldn’t be allowed to work with students.

Now, the letter sent out to parents says their concerns over what they call “experimental vaccines” haven’t changed. They also mentioned their concerns over health issues. They did say they respect everyone’s choice but also need to watch out for their entire school community.

However, health experts have said vaccines are the way to go and to listen to the science.

7News has reached out to one of the co-owners of the school. He said he cannot meet in person to discuss the letter, but released a statement reading, “Centner Academy’s top priorities are our students’ well-being and their sense of safety within our educational environment. We will continue to act in accordance with these priorities. The email that was sent to families today was grounded in these priorities.”

“I don’t find the letter interesting, I find it sad,” said Dr. Marty. “I find it terrible that there’s all this misleading information coming out of an institution that allegedly is an educational institution.”

Health experts argue vaccines are the way to go.

“The technology is not new. The technology is well established and it’s based on the best science we have,” said Dr. Marty.
 
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My bad, I meant hundreds of thousands in the US is the number I was thinking of. Honest mistake.

And it's really not comparable based on deaths. The rate is much higher compared to seasonal flu.

Plus you have long haul covid which is not present with seasonal flu.

Pneumonia is a common illness affecting approximately 450 million people a year and occurring in all parts of the world.[12] It is a major cause of death among all age groups resulting in 4 million deaths (7% of the world's total death) yearly.[12][13] Rates are greatest in children less than five, and adults older than 75 years.[12] It occurs about five times more frequently in the developing world than in the developed world.[12] Viral pneumonia accounts for about 200 million cases.[12]In the United States, as of 2009, pneumonia is the 8th leading cause of death.[23]


like I said, other respiratory virus / infection people seem to underestimate but is actually twice as deadly as Covid...
 
Do you really believe hundreds of millions died from Covid fam? Its an obscure and fucked up discussion to have but worldwide it’s actually way less - 4.5 - and those include people that died with covid (like Colin Powell) and not because of Covid… The average age of death is around 84 worldwide it’s a horrible respiratory infection/ virus that took and takes to many of us but at the end of the day, the Rona is Comparable to a certain other seasonal and endemic respiratory virus people seem to underestimate …

not because ofCovid? Even w those who don’t have underlying issues Covid has caused havoc on peoples organs… heart and lungs being the major ones.

to those who have underlying respiratory issues.. pneumonia, asthma, bronchitis, emphysema, copd etc this virus WORSENS these conditions and is the end cause that ends their lives. While ppl die from these without Covid, Covid fucks it up even more. Without Covid, do they die from theirconditions?Odds are lower… Covid increases. This applies to all conditions including heart diseases and obesity.
 
Pneumonia is a common illness affecting approximately 450 million people a year and occurring in all parts of the world.[12] It is a major cause of death among all age groups resulting in 4 million deaths (7% of the world's total death) yearly.[12][13] Rates are greatest in children less than five, and adults older than 75 years.[12] It occurs about five times more frequently in the developing world than in the developed world.[12] Viral pneumonia accounts for about 200 million cases.[12]In the United States, as of 2009, pneumonia is the 8th leading cause of death.[23]


like I said, other respiratory virus / infection people seem to underestimate but is actually twice as deadly as Covid...
Pneumonia usually comes on as a result of some virus or bacterial infection, so you're really lumping a lot of different causes into one group. That's disingenuous.

Even so, imagine if there were a vaccine that could cut that number down...
 
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not because ofCovid? Even w those who don’t have underlying issues Covid has caused havoc on peoples organs… heart and lungs being the major ones.

to those who have underlying respiratory issues.. pneumonia, asthma, bronchitis, emphysema, copd etc this virus WORSENS these conditions and is the end cause that ends their lives. While ppl die from these without Covid, Covid fucks it up even more. Without Covid, do they die from theirconditions?Odds are lower… Covid increases. This applies to all conditions including heart diseases and obesity.

Eventhough that sounds plausible, it does however seems to be more speculation, this because said underlying health conditions - like Pneumonia for example - occur among all ages and Pneumonia unfortunately affects a lot of young children.

with Covid , we - thank God - do not see any deaths due to Covid or with covid like you described with people with underlying health conditions of all ages, the numbers do however indicate a lot of deaths amongst elderly people with underlying health conditions . This is one of the reasons the Scandinavian governments have accepted Covid as endemic and part of life now (they ended all covid restrictions back in September), comparing it with Influenza etc.

info from Europe:

COVID-19 deaths by age
The blue bars on the right of this graph show the age distribution of people who have died with COVID 19. The grey bars on the left show how large each age group is in relation to the entire Dutch population. Taken together, the blue and grey bars show whether there are proportionately more or fewer COVID-19 deaths in each age group. If, for example, the graph shows that people in their sixties represent 12% of the Dutch population (grey bar) and that this same group represents 10% of the people in the Netherlands who have died with COVID-19 (blue bar), that means there are proportionately fewer deaths with COVID-19 among people in their sixties. The graph is updated daily and includes all deaths since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic. Please note that RIVM groups COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 50 together; the low numbers could otherwise be traceable back to individual people.

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regarding Powell, it’s kind of weird that fellas like @StringerBell are acting like covid took him out and several media outlets present it that way as well eventhough the man had a disease that is much more severe than Covid.

the poor man literally had one of the worst diseases a man can have, everyone fears cancer and I really wish the worlds leading medical scientists would get together (cause 20% of us ends up getting some form of cancer ) and find a way to end/fight cancers…
 
Eventhough that sounds plausible, it does however seems to be more speculation, this because said underlying health conditions - like Pneumonia for example - occur among all ages and Pneumonia unfortunately affects a lot of young children.

with Covid , we - thank God - do not see any deaths due to Covid or with covid like you described with people with underlying health conditions of all ages, the numbers do however indicate a lot of deaths amongst elderly people with underlying health conditions . This is one of the reasons the Scandinavian governments have accepted Covid as endemic and part of life now (they ended all covid restrictions back in September), comparing it with Influenza etc.

info from Europe:

COVID-19 deaths by age
The blue bars on the right of this graph show the age distribution of people who have died with COVID 19. The grey bars on the left show how large each age group is in relation to the entire Dutch population. Taken together, the blue and grey bars show whether there are proportionately more or fewer COVID-19 deaths in each age group. If, for example, the graph shows that people in their sixties represent 12% of the Dutch population (grey bar) and that this same group represents 10% of the people in the Netherlands who have died with COVID-19 (blue bar), that means there are proportionately fewer deaths with COVID-19 among people in their sixties. The graph is updated daily and includes all deaths since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic. Please note that RIVM groups COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 50 together; the low numbers could otherwise be traceable back to individual people.

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regarding Powell, it’s kind of weird that fellas like @StringerBell are acting like covid took him out and several media outlets present it that way as well eventhough the man had a disease that is much more severe than Covid.

the poor man literally had one of the worst diseases a man can have, everyone fears cancer and I really wish the worlds leading medical scientists would get together (cause 20% of us ends up getting some form of cancer ) and find a way to end/fight cancers…
Just speaking on Powell, is it possible he might have lived longer without Covid? If so, he died RIGHT NOW because of Covid.

I'm not understanding how that's not understood. Same principle applies to anyone who died with underlying conditions.
 
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Pneumonia usually comes on as a result of some virus or bacterial infection, so you're really lumping a lot of different causes into one group. That's disingenuous.

Even so, imagine if there were a vaccine that could cut that number down...

point was that more people die worldwide due to pneumonia than covid but no one is really giving a shit. We all had it once (or atleast 3 times like yours truly) and learned to live with it, which we should also do with Covid - like the Scandinavian countries are doing for example - and crack on with our lives…

But what’s happening in the states? Natural immunity is not recognized, people are being forced to take medical treatment (without it being medically necessary) or they’ll lose their jobs and a solution/ exit strategy seems non existent … why?

Imagine if CNN would post up the daily Pneumonia deaths?

Seems to me the US (and Canada) are pretty much failed states whose health care system and facilities got exposed and instead of actually doing something about the problem they’re just using fear / a bandaid, a quick fix that doesn’t stand tall in the long run…
 
Just speaking on Powell, is it possible he might have lived longer without Covid? If so, he died RIGHT NOW because of Covid.

I'm not understanding how that's not understood. Same principle applies to anyone who died with underlying conditions.

What else could the man have done though? He got vaccinated for covid, probably did everything he could etc? This is a virus that spread from one region of the world to literally every damn region, we can’t escape it, it’s endemic,its not going anywhere… Everyone will get it. If that fact isn’t evident after 2 years of Covid I don’t know what to tell you…

and the vaccines don’t work for the people that need It most… for some reason they call them ‘breakthrough cases’ in the states but hospitals worldwide are full with vaccinated people… its fucked up.
 
point was that more people die worldwide due to pneumonia than covid but no one is really giving a shit. We all had it once (or atleast 3 times like yours truly) and learned to live with it, which we should also do with Covid - like the Scandinavian countries are doing for example - and crack on with our lives…

But what’s happening in the states? Natural immunity is not recognized, people are being forced to take medical treatment (without it being medically necessary) or they’ll lose their jobs and a solution/ exit strategy seems non existent … why?

Imagine if CNN would post up the daily Pneumonia deaths?

Seems to me the US (and Canada) are pretty much failed states whose health care system and facilities got exposed and instead of actually doing something about the problem they’re just using fear / a bandaid, a quick fix that doesn’t stand tall in the long run…
None of the other causes of pneumonia are as deadly as covid though so my point stands about covid being more deadly. And you can't attack pneumonia, which is caused by a multitude of different viruses, bacteria, fungi, etc., like you would an individual virus like covid. If RSV was out here killing people like that you'd see a focus on finding a better way to fight it as well.

I also don't agree with people being forced to get the vaccine. However, I do understand the public health concerns with the virus in general so I'm not mad at there being a push that might save lives. I see nothing wrong with the vaccine so risk/reward is favorable towards the vaccine for me.
 
What else could the man have done though? He got vaccinated for covid, probably did everything he could etc? This is a virus that spread from one region of the world to literally every damn region, we can’t escape it, it’s endemic,its not going anywhere… Everyone will get it. If that fact isn’t evident after 2 years of Covid I don’t know what to tell you…

and the vaccines don’t work for the people that need It most… for some reason they call them ‘breakthrough cases’ in the states but hospitals worldwide are full with vaccinated people… its fucked up.
The vaccine obviously saves lives and prevents severe infection in many so it's better to take it than not. It's not 100% effective so why is that the expectation?

Again, risk/reward. Having the vaccine may not have saved Powell, but there are many others it did save.

Are you suggesting that people not get vaccinated because it's not 100% effective? Suggesting that he didn't die from covid but his cancer? I'm thinking we agree on some points but I'm not 100% sure your position.
 
The vaccine obviously saves lives and prevents severe infection in many so it's better to take it than not. It's not 100% effective so why is that the expectation?

Again, risk/reward. Having the vaccine may not have saved Powell, but there are many others it did save.

Are you suggesting that people not get vaccinated because it's not 100% effective? Suggesting that he didn't die from covid but his cancer? I'm thinking we agree on some points but I'm not 100% sure your position.

You asked if Powell would have lived longer, I replied with that the man probably did everything he could. I think that folks like Powell with underlying health conditions ( and everyone else for that matter) should determine for themselves and with their respective doctors whats wise regarding getting a covid vaccination or not. Im not pro or contra . With that said, if you’re overweight / obese etc I would recommend getting a Covid Vaccine, if youre an atlete I would advise against taking it… If you already had covid, I would advice not to get a vaccine at all… but again, that’s for someone and their GP/doctor to determine, not some elected official who was only elected because he was the ‘lesser of two evils‘ lol wtf.

I also believe that folks in the states shouldn’t believe in some fairy tale ending or Deus Ex Machina - unless a cure is made - and that y’all are currently being bend over backwards (in contrast to other modern nations ) by Viagra and baby shampoo producing multi national companies that got your elected officials in their back pockets and make their money with a treatment and not a cure .

We’ve had this thread for almost 2 years now and unlike other countries, The US has no exit strategy, no real end to the crisis in sight, just political and polarizing shit, old skool divide and conquer tacticts etc… How come the US equivalent of the ministry of health isnt pumping a trillion in health care system upgrades, a healthy lifestyle etc? Why is natural immunity not a thing at all?

cause the ‘US is different than country A, B, C etc?’ thats not an argument, it’s just lazy.
 
You asked if Powell would have lived longer, I replied with that the man probably did everything he could. I think that folks like Powell with underlying health conditions ( and everyone else for that matter) should determine for themselves and with their respective doctors whats wise regarding getting a covid vaccination or not. Im not pro or contra . With that said, if you’re overweight / obese etc I would recommend getting a Covid Vaccine, if youre an atlete I would advise against taking it… If you already had covid, I would advice not to get a vaccine at all… but again, that’s for someone and their GP/doctor to determine, not some elected official who was only elected because he was the ‘lesser of two evils‘ lol wtf.

I also believe that folks in the states shouldn’t believe in some fairy tale ending or Deus Ex Machina - unless a cure is made - and that y’all are currently being bend over backwards (in contrast to other modern nations ) by Viagra and baby shampoo producing multi national companies that got your elected officials in their back pockets and make their money with a treatment and not a cure .

We’ve had this thread for almost 2 years now and unlike other countries, The US has no exit strategy, no real end to the crisis in sight, just political and polarizing shit, old skool divide and conquer tacticts etc… How come the US equivalent of the ministry of health isnt pumping a trillion in health care system upgrades, a healthy lifestyle etc? Why is natural immunity not a thing at all?

cause the ‘US is different than country A, B, C etc?’ thats not an argument, it’s just lazy.
So we do agree on a lot here. As far as Powell, my point was would he have lived longer had he not caught covid. Even by a day. I'd bet yes, which means the statement "he died from covid" accurate. That's all.

The rest with regard to the US and it's response, those are good points, but the vaccine is doing more good than harm if you believe the experts. If you don't, that's an entirely different issue. Either way, the response has to cover as many people as possible and trying to differentiate who should and who shouldn't get the vaccine would have caused any more confusion.

As far as lining pockets, that's the American way unfortunately and I don't agree with it at all. We need universal healthcare 100%. But at least the FDA pushed back against a booster shot for all Americans. If they were only about lining pockets that would have gone through. Have to acknowledge all sides, not just those that support your POV.