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So how much longer are we going to pretend...

then you also have to wonder why people lie.

just to get away with something?

to protect themselves from harm?

both ways are a lie but one is to avoid persecution and the other to protect your life.

but isnt a lie a lie and still universally wrong?

do we start and stop with the lie or do we look into why the lie was told? or does it even matter.....cuz the person was morally wrong.

@Alle'Oop come thru and show us your wisdom on this. i need @Duwop on this too.
 
DOS_patos said:
is it really?

so because i present a stance, and we start a discussion about it......i cant be taught how my stance could be wrong and should be more accountable for how i see things? or how are we taking the opposite of the T/S stance without taking into consideration that the other person is not accountable thus pushing a person into anothers arms?

we are making the assumption that we all hold the same standards and have the same background that makes us make the proper decisions.
so now everyone makes the best decisions?

no one has fault in their history or like black widow says "red in their ledger"?

so a crackhead should be hung too as well as a alcoholic, person watching porn while alone and in an relationship, and many other examples.

kinda like lacking understanding of another persons struggles i guess.
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You can be taught if you're willing to learn and listen to different opinions. TS ain't been doing that so far so take that up with him that the thread took a turn away from what could've been an interesting discussion.

As for the rest of your post...maybe the blunt hit too hard this morning but nigga what? I don't get what you're trying to ask
 
DOS_patos said:
universally understood as wrong but at times necessary for a bigger purpose.

so what do you do then?
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I'll play along. I'm sitting at my desk rolling up, tryna get some 'me' time before my baby girl wake up. I got some time to fuck around. But before I answer, let me go on record as saying that cheating is never 'necessary'. Ever. Never.

But with that being said...
 
DOS_patos said:
universally understood as wrong but at times necessary for a bigger purpose.

so what do you do then?
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If it's necessary for a bigger purpose, then I'd do wrong in order to ensure the bigger purpose. But I dunno why you're asking me that, it's irrelevant to the my point. Wrong is wrong.

The term 'Doing the wrong thing for the right reason' exists for a reason. No amount of conversation or justification or typing is gonna justify cheating.

Inherently, at it's core, on it's face, without any equivocation or exception...cheating is wrong.
 
DOS_patos said:
exactly.....shit aint so cut and dry.

what people think they wouldnt do now...doesnt mean they will have that same view later.

who am i to say whats right or wrong in a person life and actions when i dont walk in their shoes.

we are all humans and not perfect. your flaws dont out weight my flaws.
but respecting someones position while also not agreeing can open up alot more dialogue on other shit.
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Motivations can only provide context but rarely do they actually excuse a person's actions and cheating ain't one of those things. This discussion basically revolves around the concept of " I can understand why you did that even though I disagree and think it's still wrong." Just because you can rationalize or understand the why behind a persons actions doesnt then make it right. It just means you can see from their POV how they came to make the choice they did.
 
DOS_patos said:
then you also have to wonder why people lie.

just to get away with something?

to protect themselves from harm?

both ways are a lie but one is to avoid persecution and the other to protect your life.

but isnt a lie a lie and still universally wrong?

do we start and stop with the lie or do we look into why the lie was told? or does it even matter.....cuz the person was morally wrong.

@Alle'Oop come thru and show us your wisdom on this. i need @Duwop on this too.
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Ok well if we using extreme examples it’s not wrong to lie if you are saving lives by doing so. That’s common sense. If your lying because you did something wrong and don’t want to be punished is different
 
Hellczar said:
Ok well if we using extreme examples it’s not wrong to lie if you are saving lives by doing so. That’s common sense. If your lying because you did something wrong and don’t want to be punished is different
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is it?

if i have no money, my kids hungry and i steal bread to feed my kids. i did it for a bigger purpose...even tho some may see it as wrong. but maybe i shouldnt have had kids.......but i did and we here now and they hungry.

now what if a system of oppression made it hard for me to hold a job? is stealing then ok? a system bigger than me is forcing my hand.

so does it become whos wrong'er?
 
mryounggun said:
If it's necessary for a bigger purpose, then I'd do wrong in order to ensure the bigger purpose. But I dunno why you're asking me that, it's irrelevant to the my point. Wrong is wrong.

The term 'Doing the wrong thing for the right reason' exists for a reason. No amount of conversation or justification or typing is gonna justify cheating.

Inherently, at it's core, on it's face, without any equivocation or exception...cheating is wrong.
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mryounggun said:
I'll play along. I'm sitting at my desk rolling up, tryna get some 'me' time before my baby girl wake up. I got some time to fuck around. But before I answer, let me go on record as saying that cheating is never 'necessary'. Ever. Never.

But with that being said...
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you got illegal drugs in ya crib? with a kid?

you got a medical license?

even if you do.......a holy roller can come thru and imply its wrong no matter what you have.

this can always be flipped as with anything.

now while i feel cheating is not cool, i wont go as far as to say people need to be hung or its worse than other shit.

as for the bolded........yea thats a no. just because you dont accept the reason dont mean that person dont feel they are in the right.

thats all im getting at.
 
DOS_patos said:
then you also have to wonder why people lie.

just to get away with something?

to protect themselves from harm?

both ways are a lie but one is to avoid persecution and the other to protect your life.

but isnt a lie a lie and still universally wrong?

do we start and stop with the lie or do we look into why the lie was told? or does it even matter.....cuz the person was morally wrong.

@Alle'Oop come thru and show us your wisdom on this. i need @Duwop on this too.
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Ion know fam, my personal belief is infidelity isnt anyone's fault.

In my life I have seen someone in a relationship with someone that is the pinnacle of what they want and need in their life, as a partner. And that person cheated on their partner

On the flipside, I've seen someone in a relationship with someone that treats them and their relationship, like total shit, and that person would never cheat on their partner.

Infidelity is totally reliant on the person who cheats. It's a choice, and everyone choice and consequences of that choice is their own fault.

Infidelity is one of the few things in life where you can say that you cant say, "I didnt have a choice"..
 
DOS_patos said:
you got illegal drugs in ya crib? with a kid?

you got a medical license?

even if you do.......a holy roller can come thru and imply its wrong no matter what you have.

this can always be flipped as with anything.

now while i feel cheating is not cool, i wont go as far as to say people need to be hung or its worse than other shit.

as for the bolded........yea thats a no. just because you dont accept the reason dont mean that person dont feel they are in the right.

thats all im getting at.
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This entire posts lets me know you still don't understand. And that's ok.

Good talk.
 
We married and shes not giving me sex and sex is very important to me.

Is sex a marriage breaker for you?

Then break the marriage and go get sex

Is sex not a marriage breaker for you?

Have the hard conversation and work through it.

If you go out and cheat, it's not your wife's fault, you chose the easiest option
 
Alle'Oop said:
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Ion know fam, my personal belief is infidelity isnt anyone's fault.

In my life I have seen someone in a relationship with someone that is the pinnacle of what they want and need in their life, as a partner. And that person cheated on their partner

On the flipside, I've seen someone in a relationship with someone that treats them and their relationship, like total shit, and that person would never cheat on their partner.

Infidelity is totally reliant on the person who cheats. It's a choice, and everyone choice and consequences of that choice is their own fault.

Infidelity is one of the few things in life where you can say that you cant say, "I didnt have a choice"..
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How, Sway?

Cheating is always someone's fault. It's always the fault of the person cheating. 100% of the time. When you cheat, you break the tenants that you and your s/o agreed to. And you did it willingly, when there were other options available.

There is no way to dress this pig up. It's a pig.
 
Not to say infidelity makes you a horrible person, it just acknowledges you are a weak willed person. That's a personality trait you just have to acknowledge exist in you. There is nothing wrong with not being a "perfect" human being, none of us are. But at least accept self responsibility for your choices and the reason for them.
 
mryounggun said:
How, Sway?

Cheating is always someone's fault. It's always the fault of the person cheating. 100% of the time. When you cheat, you break the tenants that you and your s/o agreed to. And you did it willingly, when there were other options available.

There is no way to dress this pig up. It's a pig.
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By that I meant, it's not the fault of the person being cheating on..either man or woman
 
Alle'Oop said:
We married and shes not giving me sex and sex is very important to me.

Is sex a marriage breaker for you?

Then break the marriage and go get sex

Is sex not a marriage breaker for you?

Have the hard conversation and work through it.

If you go out and cheat, it's not your wife's fault, you chose the easiest option
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Deadass.

One of the issues here is that people don't seem to be able to distinguish between something being your FAULT...and there being things you could have done to prevent it.

Those are two very different things.
 
I'm terms of Jay and Beyonce and just wealthy and lauded individuals in society. I'm not too naive to believe that there is a thought process in their mind where they dont accept that infidelity will happen.

Like, for beyonce, there are literal millionaires, scratch that..billionaires, that would pay to eat her vagina and then have her bounce on them.

So in no way should they think that the pussy and opportunity thrown at their partner will at all times be turnt down. Especially in instances where they can go weeks without physical communication due to their erratic work schedules.

Member Doug Christie? His wife was on his hip...cause she know
 
She was down to let that man die before another woman touched him


star Doug Christie, refused to let a female doctor save her husband’s life Saturday when he nearly choked to death during a dinner at the Pilothouse Restaurant in Sacramento . Christie frantically screamed for a doctor after her husband began gagging on a chicken bone, but when Clarissa Jordan, a 41-year-old female doctor, rushed to his aid, Christie grew agitated. She reportedly told Jordan to “back off” even as Doug’s face turned purple and his breath came out in short, labored gasps.

Bystanders watched in horror as Jackie Christie calmly waited for a male patron to save her husband’s life. Luckily, Sanjay Mehta, a local medical student who was sitting at the bar in an adjacent room, was able to apply the Heimlich maneuver just in time to avert a tragedy. The chicken bone came up, and Jackie defended her decision not to let a female doctor save her husband.

“Miss Clarissa Jordan, or whatever her name is, came running over like a poodle in heat,” said Christie. “I could tell she was lusting after my husband, which is why I wouldn’t let her near him. Sure, she’s a doctor, but that’s a great way to get her little tongue down my husband’s throat. Believe me, I’m no fool. Plus, my husband would never want a female doctor saving his life. He’d feel too guilty having another woman lay her hands on him. He’d rather die. I’m sure of it. ”
 
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