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Revisiting the whole Pound cake speech. A long read. Lets end this.

DOS_patos said:
my thing is....why talk shit about the speech but not read it to understand it aint about you.

@LUClEN
bruh....this aint about you. if your parents supported you in your toughest time....this aint about you or them.

this is about people who dont do shit for their kids.

you dont need money or programs to raise your kid with some sense.

if you think thats what you need.....its a bigger problem at hand.

hes talking about murderers in our community and the people who dont stop them.
hes talking about the shitty parents who dont give their kids the tools to survive...but want them to look nice.

this is not about poor people....its about ignorant people.
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So if he talking to deadbeats an shit this was the best way he could do it? Lol nigha please.
 
DOS_patos said:
my thing is....why talk shit about the speech but not read it to understand it aint about you.

@LUClEN
bruh....this aint about you. if your parents supported you in your toughest time....this aint about you or them.

this is about people who dont do shit for their kids.

you dont need money or programs to raise your kid with some sense.

if you think thats what you need.....its a bigger problem at hand.

hes talking about murderers in our community and the people who dont stop them.
hes talking about the shitty parents who dont give their kids the tools to survive...but want them to look nice.

this is not about poor people....its about ignorant people.
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Bruh, we both know the bulk of poor people are uneducated. I'm well educated and even I slipped up and got lucky I have people around me to hold me down. I can only imagine how much tougher it is when people don't have that
 
LUClEN said:
Bruh, we both know the bulk of poor people are uneducated. I'm well educated and even I slipped up and got lucky I have people around me to hold me down. I can only imagine how much tougher it is when people don't have that
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but thats not just about poor people.
you dont need to be educated to know how important education is.

you cant put what he saying on that.....hes saying take advantage of what the elders fought for and stop doing dumb shit.
this aint about money....again...he said why buy $500 sneakers.
if you got $500 to spend on sneakers....are you really poor? maybe mental poor when making financial decisions but you cant tell me a poor person can spned that type money on sneakers.

so again its not about poor. but more about the ignorance parents do then are surprised at the outcome.

seems like you want him to be wrong , no matter what. even tho what you think hes saying isnt what hes saying
 
so the white folk shouldnt have took shit from the hood.
whtie folk aint helping those in the hood
cosby helps the hood
but cosby isnt doing enough i guess
he give a speech niggas get up in arms and turn they back on him.
his rape case doesnt draw the type of attention it should because niggas feelings hurt.
because he should say nicer things.
and the white folk took down a person who helped the hood and hood niggas still were they at.

so who won out of all this?
 
It this "you're either with us completely or you're against us" mentality. Spending millions of hard earned dollars and a lifetime of promoting positive black images in front of and behind the cameras was fine. But as soon as he said something less than flattering (but true) all of a sudden he hates black people. We are our own worst enemy.
 
^^^she is right.

niggas aint got this same hate for the parents that left them behind.
niggas aint got this hate for the system that fucks them over.
nigga aint got this hate for the family member who trying to push them in the wrong direction.

they got hate for a proven black man saying something they didnt even hear with their own ears or read....but off some shit they heard?

yup...

dont be mad when niggas who can help....decided not to help now.

 
DOS_patos said:
so the white folk shouldnt have took shit from the hood.
whtie folk aint helping those in the hood
cosby helps the hood
but cosby isnt doing enough i guess
he give a speech niggas get up in arms and turn they back on him.
his rape case doesnt draw the type of attention it should because niggas feelings hurt.
because he should say nicer things.
and the white folk took down a person who helped the hood and hood niggas still were they at.

so who won out of all this?
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You did
 
niggas really ok with not being shit....

nah you won, radio

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AP21 said:
Idk what this is about and I don't care
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It's basically a support group for saddened Cosby supporters coping with grief.

They're getting dangerously close to suggesting that systemic racism doesn't exist and that black people have a genetic predisposition to dropping out of school, smoking crack, sagging their pants, not using birth control and being deadbeat dads. Just because their tv father said it once.
 
DOS_patos said:
im just gonna wait til those who talked shit about this speech come thru.......where is he saying all black people?
where is he talking down on black people?

highlight it for me.

is he not saying WE...and what WE need to do?
but is he also celebrating those that helped us out in the past that may be disappointed?

where did he talk shit about african names? he said the names are about strength...but people arent parenting to give them that strength behind their name.

Where you niggas at?

I got time.

and we are not from africa....we are american....this is our culture now. we are far removed from africa.
so is he lying?

please take your shots at me.
i got two guns in my avi for a reason......i will come firing back.

but please prove me wrong and i will leave it alone and never speak on it again.

where did yall get your information about this speech to be so angry?

while i respect people opinion....at least know what you are talking about before you wish and celebrate jail on someone who did so much for people that look like us.

foh
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I got some time.
1) He was speaking at the NCAAP awards in 2004 on the 50th Anniversary of the Brown vs Board of Education, so he was clearly talking about black people.
2) He is saying petty crimes warrant death for one
3)Cosby talks about AAVE as ignorant, but it is regarded as African American English. While Dr. Carter G Woodson (the second AA to achieve his PH.D) regarded as to be as a African tongue and should delve into studying their own ancestral languages. I agree with there and it should not be despised at all.

https://www.linguisticsociety.org/content/what-ebonics-african-american-english

4) We are suppose to lift our ancestors and move progressively, but you can't forget many of the dynamics that were happening that caused the dropout rate in the first place. While it is the individual's fault and many are getting their GED, higher education and certs we have to look at it holistically not just from one jaded side. That's what he is getting flack for and he should deserve it, while we should definitely address as a community our failings, but we need to know root sources and causes and uplift. Positivity does more benefit than negative and their surroundings sure have a lot of negativity.

5) He talked about our names, so we should name our kids European names because we have an American identity that gets casually thrown to the wayside by the dominant society? No, we should have a right to name our children whatever cultural value we give to them. If we want to name our kids African names so be it, we have a right to do so and I think it's healthy. Also, he seems islamicphobic as well. Black muslims have raised a lot of good black men and women and to attack them because they have a different religion, but whats the difference between naming a child a middle eastern name and a european name? You ain't them.

6) Our genes, haplotypes, autoimmunity, and physical features come from the peoples of Africa that been in that region for hundreds of thousands of years. So yes we are African, are we African from the cultural raising no, but if black people want to study and bring forth their ancestral cultural and modernize why is that wrong? We didn't give it up because we wanted to, but through the barrel of a gun. If black people want to revitalize what they lost they have a right to do so and no one has a say to this. We learn about Europe and the middle east, but not our own personal ancestors. We have more ancestors that lived in Africa that ever lived in North America many times over. We see other diasporic Africans enjoying more of their ancestral culture and tongue than we do. We have a right to that.

Ending Message ) Bill Cosby has done good works in our community, but this speech is by far his downfall and it's not very truthful and it's not accurate depiction. He even tells us that it's personal responsibility above all, while I agree there is personal responsibility, but we do not live on an island. The federal, state, county, and local government has a responsibility as well to it's citizens. Especially, the richest nation on earth that probably ever existed and yet we see it continually and intentionally failing African Americans on many numerous occasions and forced to do right by us when the world is viewing on their state of affairs. This is why Bill Cosby speech is very irresponsible and downright harmful and he should be criticized for this speech. It's not a genuine message and it very much plays in respectability politics which has never helped black people at all while lacking insight and a detail understanding the conditions that are happening.
 
His speech wasn't really wrong, but Bill never acknowledged white supremacy. His speech let them off the hook and was the usual pull yourself up by the boot straps talk. A Black elite richer than him would tell you the problem with that analogy is that blacks don't have boot straps in the first place. But I bet Bill would acknowledge it now.
 
Kzzl said:
His speech wasn't really wrong, but Bill never acknowledged white supremacy. His speech let them off the hook and was the usual pull yourself up by the boot straps talk. A Black elite richer than him would tell you the problem with that analogy is that blacks don't have boot straps in the first place. But I bet Bill would acknowledge it now.
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This.

And to quote myself:

""Bill's message would have been fine..because tough love is commendable and needed .
But his critiques and criticism of the black community WAS NOT coming from a place of love and understanding.
But of resentment and annoyance.

He was not talking to black people as a "Dad" or "Uncle" would,but as an "outsider" berating someone he felt was beneath him.
And that is why his message never resonated with the black community and why he caught so much backlash then""


You don't talk down, on those you are trying lift up.
 
@ajackson17
there was a thread a while back about an asian man who hit a chick.
it think people was saying ...if you steal...that man can react how he wants.

i dont think hes ok with someone getting shot over pound cake....i think what he was implying is dont put yourself in those type of positions.

but 1. stealing and 2. not owning business in your own hood.

he was speaking of an element in our community. the element that does shit just to do it....not to survive but because they want to be outlaws.

so are you ok with someone terrorizing the already poor people?
are we really saying that its ok for drug dealers and stick up boys to make a bad situation worse?
because thats who you are defending...

its about fuck boys running our hoods...and the parents who didnt raise them.

if you got a job and working and trying to raise your family right.....nothing he said relates to you.
but somehow ....people want it to relate.

and where did he say european names?
he said african names are strong.....but if you dont raise your child to be strong....wtf you doing it for.

and since you want to say he did alot in the community.....but it seems now hes taking off the kid gloves. why is that his undoing?
the man is 81....but saying this shit for what about ....imma guess three years. and done decades of work. but the 3 can outweight the decades in your eyes?

Kzzl said:
His speech wasn't really wrong, but Bill never acknowledged white supremacy. His speech let them off the hook and was the usual pull yourself up by the boot straps talk. A Black elite richer than him would tell you the problem with that analogy is that blacks don't have boot straps in the first place. But I bet Bill would acknowledge it now.
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so to your point...you dont think he lived white supremcy? is his work not trying to help people over that hump? maybe thats why he felt the need to do so much.....yet thats overlooked because he doesnt verbally say it.

so would you rather have a person verbally say it and do nothing or not mention it and do all he can?

this is one of the problems i have with our people....we always want to hear the right thing rather than looking for what we need to move us forward.

the bootstrap talk....he should be able to say if hes also providing a way to pull them up.
aint like hes just saying step it up and he goes home. hes providing ways and helps hundreds of families.

so are we that fucked up mentally and emotionally that we cant take criticism? criticism from someone who opened doors for us and gave from his pocket. he said dont blame white people for local shit like niggas killing each other or selling poison to pregnant women and kids yet driving expensive cars while preying on our community. them the dudes that got away with shit because no one is stopping them.

niggas sounding real ungrateful and sounding real entitled.
at the end of the day....you aint gotta listen to him or follow him....but he stood tall for us in times we didnt have much.
but lets skip all that...because hes an old man who is tired of sugarcoating shit.

but i ask @Kzzl @ajackson17 @SKPJR @LUClEN
what have yall done for your communities? what sacrifices have you made to further our cause? how long have you done it? how long do you think you can do it before you get tired of sugarcoating an get frustrated?

please enlighten me,.
 
a.mann said:
This.

And to quote myself:

""Bill's message would have been fine..because tough love is commendable and needed .
But his critiques and criticism of the black community WAS NOT coming from a place of love and understanding.
But of resentment and annoyance.

He was not talking to black people as a "Dad" or "Uncle" would,but as an "outsider" berating someone he felt was beneath him.
And that is why his message never resonated with the black community and why he caught so much backlash then""


You don't talk down, on those you are trying lift up.
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nigga do you have a male that raised you?

did he ever get annoyed at the dumb shit you did? did he yell at you out of frustration?

cut it out.....nigga you aint that soft
 
DOS_patos said:
nigga do you have a male that raised you?

did he ever get annoyed at the dumb shit you did? did he yell at you out of frustration?

cut it out.....nigga you aint that soft
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Did he address white supremacy with annoyance and frustration like he did about black people?
 
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