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AJ will be iight. He jus needs to beat up 2 tomatoe cans back to back. Then the wilder fight talk will be back. It'll never have the same hype. But it'll happen. Too much money to be made for it not.
 
lol @ the Joshua fans accusing Wilder of ducking. I know people go through a lot of mental gymnastics to support their guy, but how do you get that Wilder was ducking. Wilder has spent the past few years calling Joshua out and Joshua was the one that acted like he wasn't interesting.
 
https://www.boxingscene.com/haye-joshua-got-beat-up-he-looked-like-he-want-fight--139646

Haye: Joshua Got Beat Up, He Looked Like He Didn't Want To Fight

Before the fight took place, former two division champion David Haye gave Andy Ruiz absolutely not chance of victory in the anticipated contest with unified champion Anthony Joshua.

On Saturday night at Madison Square Garden in New York City, Ruiz pulled off one of the biggest upset in boxing history when he dropped Joshua four times before the contest was waved off in the seventh round.

Joshua was down twice in the third round, and then two more times in the seventh.

Haye was shocked by what he witnessed.

The contest was the United States debut for Joshua, with the rematch almost for sure heading over to the UK.

When the contest was stopped, Haye felt Joshua did not have the appearance of a boxer who wanted to continue any further.

“This was probably the biggest upset since Buster Douglas knocked out Mike Tyson. This was a sustained beating. For me it was crazy situation to see Anthony Joshua get manhandled by someone so physically inferior to him. Just to look at him, you wouldn’t give him no chance whatsoever, but he showed that he’s got the heart. He’s got that," Haye told IFL TV.

“He’s the next Mexican superstar. Canelo has some fans. How many people in Mexico can relate to Andy Ruiz Jr? Look at him. You have to respect the heart. This guy didn’t come in shape, and he still did it. He obviously got knocked down against Wladimir Klitschko, but he got back up and closed the show. This time, he got beat up. He looked like he didn’t want to fight. He put his hands on the ropes. He didn’t say to the referee, ‘yes, let’s go,’ and walk forward.

"I couldn’t believe what I was seeing, but everybody has a bad day at the office. He has a chance to prove it. He has a rematch clause."
 
https://www.boxingscene.com/joshua-i-underestimate-ruiz-nothing-wrong-with-me--139642

Joshua: I Didn't Underestimate Ruiz; Nothing Was Wrong With Me

By Keith Idec

NEW YORK – Unlike most heavily favored champions that lose, Anthony Joshua didn’t offer any excuses for Andy Ruiz Jr. upsetting him Saturday night.

The English icon respectfully credited Ruiz for beating him at a sold-out Madison Square Garden. The former IBF/IBO/WBA/WBO heavyweight champion didn’t blame referee Michael Griffin for stopping their fight in the seventh round and didn’t attribute his stunning technical-knockout defeat to anything that occurred during training camp or fight week.

“Never nothing wrong,” Joshua said during a post-fight press conference early Sunday morning. “Never nothing wrong.”

When a reporter suggested that the 6-feet-6, 245-pound Joshua didn’t look like his usual self while fighting Ruiz, Joshua (22-1, 21 KOs) simply accepted all the blame for his loss.

“Nah, it’s my own fault,” Joshua said. “It’s my own fault. My own problem what I’m dealing with here.”


Joshua, 29, insisted that he didn’t take Ruiz lightly, either, even though Ruiz believes Joshua overlooking him played a factor in what occurred. The 2012 Olympic gold medalist stated that he never recovered from taking a hard shot on the top of his head late in the third round, when Ruiz dropped Joshua twice.

“I don’t underestimate anyone,” Joshua said. “He’s a decent puncher, decent fighter. It’s his chance, isn’t it? And I always say like, anyone that comes to box me boxes 15, 20 percent better than what we’ve seen. It’s funny because, as a fighter, as I said, I don’t overlook anyone.
But it’s easy to overlook someone because of their shape or their record or whatnot. But these guys are coming to win, and he was the better man tonight. He done his job.”

The 6-feet-2, 268-pound Ruiz, of Imperial, California, floored Joshua twice more during the seventh round.

An exhausted Joshua replied, “Yes,” when Griffin asked him if he wanted to continue following that fourth and final knockdown. Griffin still stopped their scheduled 12-round fight at 1:27 of the seventh round.

Earlier Sunday morning, Ruiz (33-1, 22 KOs) noted that Joshua wasn’t fully focused on their bout because he continually discussed potential fights against WBC champion Deontay Wilder (41-0-1, 40 KOs), former IBF/IBO/WBA/WBO champ Tyson Fury (27-0-1, 19 KOs) and a rematch with Dillian Whyte (25-1, 18 KOs). Joshua disagreed with Ruiz’s assessment.

“What I learned from that situation is rather than try and block it out, naturally you’re gonna speak about Wilders, Furys,” Joshua said. “Naturally you’re gonna speak about Dillian. So, if people are gonna ask me about that, I’m all ears to it and I’ll give you the answer. It’s rude of me to say I’m not answering that question. So, I’ll give you the answer and that’s how it is. So rather than try and block out the fact that there’s other competition out there, I keep my eye on the prize and say, ‘Ruiz is who I’m fighting, but these are the guys I still wanna compete with.’ You know what I mean? It don’t stop. That’s why I say I ask Eddie [Hearn] what’s next?”

Niggas can now stop with the conspiracy theories about Popcorn Muscles.. He says nothing was wrong with him.. Give Andy the Destroyer his full credit...
 
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https://www.boxingscene.com/andy-ruiz-not-anthony-joshua-becomes-star-america--139644

Andy Ruiz, Not Anthony Joshua, Becomes A Star In America
By Corey Erdman

When Frank Sinatra sang “if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere” in reference to New York, it became an instant slogan for the city. In one line it summed up both the city’s impression of itself, and the unforgiving nature of it that the residents cultivate. Making it in New York City isn’t a guarantee, no matter who you are or how big you are elsewhere in the world.

On Saturday night, a billboard featuring British boxing superstar Anthony Joshua modeling for Hugo Boss hung high, overlooking Joe Louis Plaza. For many—and perhaps most—the image was just of another dapper man tasked with showing off Boss’ latest threads, not the heavyweight champion of the world. Just as many might think the plaza it overlooked was named for some old guy that became a pastry namesake, not the most dominant heavyweight champion of all-time and one of America’s most significant historical figures.

The most famous people in the world can stroll through the Big Apple in relative anonymity, or so it can feel. Even if you are recognized, everyone is too entrenched in their own personal hustle to care. There’s a gruffness and a fierce individuality and a tribalism that somehow go hand-in-hand that make New York both alluring and difficult to thrive in. And making it is no guarantee.

Prior to Joshua’s bout with Andy Ruiz Jr. at Madison Square Garden on June 1, a video package was circulated, and later aired in the arena, set to Sinatra’s “New York, New York.” The impression one got from watching the package was that they would be treated to a Broadway performance, the conclusion of which was already determined.

Which is exactly how the matchup between Joshua and Ruiz was viewed. The introduction of boxing’s biggest international attraction to the New York audience, against an opponent deemed worthy enough but with no chance of winning. Oddsmakers listed Ruiz as anywhere from a 20-1 to an 11-1 underdog at various points leading up to the bout.

The main source of the public’s lack of belief in Ruiz was purely optical. Joshua is a chiseled physical specimen, perfectly defined and proportioned. Ruiz, meanwhile, is a pale, heavyset lad with short legs and short arms for his height, carrying a frame that likely pushes 300 pounds if out of training, all in his torso.

"Everyone has been doubting me from the beginning," said Ruiz. "I think just the way that I look, the extra flab that I carry. We've been working on it since the (Alexander) Dimitrenko fight. But we also didn't want to lose too much weight because we wanted to be strong. I actually gained five more pounds just because I wanted to be a little stronger."

The mockery and body-shaming of Ruiz was at once tiresome and predictable, but from a boxing prognostication standpoint, image is quite often an accurate determinant of superiority in the ring. Generally, the fighter with the fleshier physique, the shabbier trunks, the smaller entourage, is the one who is going to lose. All are signs of either a willful lack of dedication to the sport, or a lack of financial resources to commit to such things, which often means you weren’t talented enough for someone to want to monetarily buoy your career. In the overwhelming majority of boxing matches that take place, even an uninitiated viewer can pick out who is supposed to win on pure optics alone, and generally be correct.

Ruiz showed no signs of caring about either the teasing, or the enormity of the task at hand, even joking about how he would eat a Snickers bar prior to the bout (something the New York State Athletic Commission reportedly did not allow). At roughly 1 am the night before the biggest night of his life, Ruiz stood in front of the Renaissance Hotel in the shadow of Madison Square Garden, looking as jolly as ever, hanging out with the small group of supporters who followed him from California and Mexico.

Joshua seemed relaxed in a more negative sense. He was late coming out of his locker room for his entrance, and during his introduction, stood slumped in his corner chewing on his mouthpiece like a man either bored, unconcerned or utterly disinterested. Like a man who knew how the night was going to end—or was supposed to, anyway. His hypothesis was supported by the crowd, which audibly chuckled at Michael Buffer’s line introducing the judges scoring the fight ringside “should the fight go the distance.” It wouldn’t take long into the opening round for chants of “you fat dosser” to be heard in parts of the arena.

In the third round, it looked like the show would go as planned. Joshua dropped Ruiz hard with a left hook that would have done plenty of heavyweights in. As he rose from the canvas, Ruiz grinned, bringing to mind an ominous pre-fight line from his trainer Manny Robles: “When you hit Andy in the face, he turns into the devil.”

The Mexican devil would haunt Joshua the rest of the night. Ruiz returned the favor with a knockdown less than a minute later, and another before the end of the round. Without the use of a meaningful jab, Joshua was unable to accomplish much from range, and on the inside, was completely overmatched in the hand speed department. As Ruiz said of his game plan, "I wanted to let my hands go when he let his hands go, and that's when I think I connected really well."

He would continue to connect periodically for the next few rounds, until he really found his mark in the seventh, dropping Joshua twice more. On the final knockdown, Joshua stood wobbly-legged and glassy eyed in the same corner he lackadaisically leaned during his introduction 25 minutes earlier, showing referee Michael Griffin as little enthusiasm to continue fighting as he did when Buffer announced his name.

As Griffin waved the fight off, Joshua protested for mere seconds, and then smiled and walked back to his corner, having received more than he bargained for. Ruiz jumped up and down in celebration with the raw enthusiasm and joy that can only come from proving the entire world wrong. While it will go down as one of boxing’s all-time biggest shocks, the thoroughness of the beatdown illustrates that it was not a fluke, and perhaps if there had been a more careful analysis of Ruiz’s boxing skills rather than his body composition, it might not have been considered as big of an upset as it was.

Immediately afterward, over 20,000 people—almost half of which had traveled in from the United Kingdom, according to promoter Eddie Hearn—filed out in either disbelief or disappointment, having watched a greater show than they either wanted or expected.

New York might be where you come to make a name for yourself, but the boxing ring is where you find out who you truly are. It would be best to wait until the inevitable rematch, tentatively slated for late-2019 in the UK, before making wholesale determinations about Joshua’s makeup. But for this night at least, we found out conclusively that he was not as good as Andy Ruiz Jr.

In the in-ring post-fight interview, as everyone involved was still in disbelief, Joshua appeared to have come to terms with that fact. He smiled and hugged Ruiz, profusely congratulating him, at first requesting to not speak so as to give the spotlight to his conqueror. Once he decided to speak, the only regret he expressed was that it “wasn’t Deontay Wilder, rather than Andy Ruiz.” Joshua seemed like a man disappointed, but otherwise comfortable in the international popularity and wealth he had already amassed—two things one loss couldn’t strip away.

For the heavyweight division however, and more specifically, for Ruiz, one win changed everything.

"Mom, I love you, and our lives are gonna change. We don't have to struggle no more,” said the new unified heavyweight champion. "I'm still pinching myself to see if this is real, man. I’m just happy that it's me. I'm so f-cking happy that it's me."

 
AJ can't handle slick boxers with power....


Ruiz was slipping his punches and countering with real pop....


he got caught once, and turned it up... Joshua never fully recovered..

wilder defense may be a little rough, but he can slip enough of ajs unchs to land with th same kinda power that killt brazeale..


wilder vs aj was never gonna be anything but wilder knocking homie the fuck out..

much much worse than he caught it saturday.....
 
If the fight happens.....remember this and put ya ABW dollars up on AJ so i can take ya monies.


Only HWs I see possibly beating Wilder are Fury & Ortiz. Dillian Whyte put up a good fight against AJ, but Wilder is different.

Why would I bet on a 50/50 shootout??? Wilder's technique is trash but he carries dynamite... If you dont think AJ can beat him your mad, I actually think AJ has a better chance of beating Wilder than Fury if they fight again...

This was hilarious dude trips over his own feet, over extend like that against AJ he would be flattened...

 
if anything, i think it's a relief, because it takes the power postiion away from hearn and aj

all money aint good money....

no one wanted to deal with hearn.....they just didn't' trust dude....


now that aj got smoked, hearn doesn't hold the power position like he used to anymore...

so yea the money might not be as big, but there's a huge sigh of relief now because, they can't use that previous "you need the fight more than us" leverage anymore....


it has to humble them, and regardless of who did it, dude is happy it was done,....

you gotta remember they alla wne toth e table... and they left without an agreement....

which means one side wasn't tryna humble to the others demands....

if they go back, one side is already humbled now... so again, wilder has more leverage without ever having to throw a punch

AJ will most likely win the rematch though and get the belts back, and be the unified champ again... Youre kidding yourself if you think it was just AJ's camp making things awkward, Wilders camp woudlnt even sit down and try talk it out and announced a fight the same week of AJ/Ruiz...

Boxing is a business and you never know when your last fight/payday is, so you need to strike whist the iron is hot and earn what you can, that CRAZY payday is gone, they can still earn a good chunk of money if Wilder/AJ can make a unification fight but not what they could have if both were unbeaten...
 
AJ can't handle slick boxers with power....


Ruiz was slipping his punches and countering with real pop....


he got caught once, and turned it up... Joshua never fully recovered..

wilder defense may be a little rough, but he can slip enough of ajs unchs to land with th same kinda power that killt brazeale..


wilder vs aj was never gonna be anything but wilder knocking homie the fuck out..

much much worse than he caught it saturday.....

Bro, try and look at this from a neutral perspective... Cant handle slick punchers with power??? You literally just described Wilder... You say Wilder's defence is 'a little rough'??? Its basically non existent...

Did you watch AJ vs Joseph Parker, Povetkin, Wlad??? Slickness isnt the issue, its smaller compact fighters if anything he has struggled against, Povetkin, Whyte and Takam and IF you have presence to stand calm in firing range like Ruiz Jr and Whyte did you can hurt him with timing...
 
Just listened to Joshua comments in the ring after the fight.

Joshua can fight but he not a real killer. He got power so he going to get KOs but he not a straight up killer and that could be a problem for him.
 
If the fight happens.....remember this and put ya ABW dollars up on AJ so i can take ya monies.


Only HWs I see possibly beating Wilder are Fury & Ortiz. Dillian Whyte put up a good fight against AJ, but Wilder is different.
CONGRATS you just named every viable heavyweight but AJ
 
Why would I bet on a 50/50 shootout??? Wilder's technique is trash but he carries dynamite... If you dont think AJ can beat him your mad, I actually think AJ has a better chance of beating Wilder than Fury if they fight again...

This was hilarious dude trips over his own feet, over extend like that against AJ he would be flattened...


This is exactly what i refering too.. think i saw this dude back in the day on ESPN chicago in a fight of the year if my memory serves
 
Just listened to Joshua comments in the ring after the fight.

Joshua can fight but he not a real killer. He got power so he going to get KOs but he not a straight up killer and that could be a problem for him.

I think AJ's problem is he tries too hard to be the ultimate 'Mr model sportsman... AJ acts like killer at times, if he fighting someone he has been beefing with or who is been disrespectful etc he hits dudes on the floor (which i dont agree with) and doesnt really dead the beef in the ring and shake hands like nothing happens afterwards like some fighters, regardless if it was to sell the fight or not, but if its been a respectful build up, like with Wlad for example he is extra gracious...

Ruiz Jr was taking selfies and acting like a fan etc in the build up, fck that if Im a champ no way Im letting someone hold my fckn belts for pics, you gotta win them, but AJ went along with it which I didnt like...

I agree with you, I wanna see more killer emotion in defeat, regardless of the situation... But I sensed 'the world has been lifted off my shoulders' moment, along with embarrassment...
 
I think AJ's problem is he tries too hard to be the ultimate 'Mr model sportsman... AJ acts like killer at times, if he fighting someone he has been beefing with or who is been disrespectful etc he hits dudes on the floor (which i dont agree with) and doesnt really dead the beef in the ring and shake hands like nothing happens afterwards like some fighters, regardless if it was to sell the fight or not, but if its been a respectful build up, like with Wlad for example he is extra gracious...

Ruiz Jr was taking selfies and acting like a fan etc in the build up, fck that if Im a champ no way Im letting someone hold my fckn belts for pics, you gotta win them, but AJ went along with it which I didnt like...

I agree with you, I wanna see more killer emotion in defeat, regardless of the situation... But I sensed 'the world has been lifted off my shoulders' moment, along with embarrassment...

You saying he was relieved of the pressure temporarily?
 
You saying he was relieved of the pressure temporarily?

Yeah basically, to me he looked petrified walking to the ring, soon as I saw him walking to ring I got worried, I didnt expect him lose but I thought he was in trouble, standing in the ring he didnt loosen up after McCraken told him to, he just stood there and got a neck rub and then as soon as it was over he looked like the weight of the world had been lifted, just slightly embarrassed imo...

Not making excuses for him, Im just playing devils advocate or whatever, because its still baffling... But maybe the months of build up in America and the Breakfast Club type interviews and ESPN TV shows etc just took its toll pressure wise on the night, like it wore him out and on the night he just froze... Especially after Wilder put on such a spectacular KO just weeks before him...

Hes the most accessible fighter Ive seen in ages (media wise) I remember a while ago reading that most times he gets into the ring mentally exhausted and for this camp they had tailored it better, but I dont think they did...
 
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A lot of excuses being made lol.

The thing is a actually like Joshua....after the interviews he did with the Breakfast Club and other media it acutally made me like him even more. But i just dont think he beats Wilder, Fury, or Ortiz.

But we will see. Ruiz is the champ now and is gonna have to mix it up. So we will see if he really is that good...or what Wilder and Fury have been saying about him acutally is true....
 
A lot of excuses being made lol.

The thing is a actually like Joshua....after the interviews he did with the Breakfast Club and other media it acutally made me like him even more. But i just dont think he beats Wilder, Fury, or Ortiz.

But we will see. Ruiz is the champ now and is gonna have to mix it up. So we will see if he really is that good...or what Wilder and Fury have been saying about him acutally is true....

I actually think Joshua is more technically skilled and fundamental than both Wilder and Fury. I also think Wilder and Fury have that dog and fight in them that Joshua doesn't seem to have. I understand not being an asshole or irrationally irate after losing a fight but how cool Joshua was with losing just doesn't sit well with me
 
I actually think Joshua is more technically skilled and fundamental than both Wilder and Fury. I also think Wilder and Fury have that dog and fight in them that Joshua doesn't seem to have. I understand not being an asshole or irrationally irate after losing a fight but how cool Joshua was with losing just doesn't sit well with me

Wilder is the most unskilled of them all I think fury and Ortiz are the most skilled Joshua is 3rd amongst them
 
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