Nice Guys & Good Girls Finish Last

i think its the same concept as dudes want a freak in the sheets, lady in the streets.

there are plenty of times a dude will have sex with a girl, but he aint trying to bring her home to mama

same thing for females...they want a "nice" guy as far as how they will treat them, but think somehow that him being nice makes him "soft".
 
TheMasterKey said:
How don't they?
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cuz nice is relative, and this is a gross overgeneralization,

also it's a huge cop out for accountability......

the whole concept of nice guy finish last is just wrong on multiple levels.....

100% of the time it's used it's addressing the wrong issue at hand...and people use it as a cop out to avoid dealing with the real issues that's much more reflective of their personal poor choices

people HATE admitting they're wrong...and this is just a manifestation of that
 
King Du said:
cuz nice is relative, and this is a gross overgeneralization,

also it's a huge cop out for accountability......

the whole concept of nice guy finish last is just wrong on multiple levels.....

100% of the time it's used it's addressing the wrong issue at hand...and people use it as a cop out to avoid dealing with the real issues that's much more reflective of their personal poor choices

people HATE admitting they're wrong...and this is just a manifestation of that
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I'm not even just talking about relationships, I'm talking about in life period. Can you name one successful businessman who got their being nice?

Shit, if we really look at the story of Jesus objectively, the nigga was one of the biggest losers of alltime.
 
TheMasterKey said:
I'm not even just talking about relationships, I'm talking about in life period. Can you name one successful businessman who got their being nice?

Shit, if we really look at the story of Jesus objectively, the nigga was one of the biggest losers of alltime.
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naw i can't name them cuz those are the type who chose to remain nameless....
 
King Du said:
naw i can't name them cuz those are the type who chose to remain nameless....
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TheMasterKey said:
I'm not even just talking about relationships, I'm talking about in life period. Can you name one successful businessman who got their being nice?

Shit, if we really look at the story of Jesus objectively, the nigga was one of the biggest losers of alltime.
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Based on what he was about I think he accomplished what he set out to do
 
BNE said:
Why does it have to be all or nothing? like either losing because you're nice, or having to win solely on the grounds of niceness.

I can name successful businessmen who are also nice people but no, their niceness isn't the reason for their success. I can name a bunch of nice people who 'lost' at life's battles too, but their niceness isn't what I'd attribute it to. it's usually some other factor at play but people group a whole lot of faults under the label "nice guy".

being nice (treating folks well) is a positive characteristic. the popular vision of a nice guy is actually a weak-willed, that's the problem. you can be nice and have convictions, that isn't a contradiction. I suppose you can be nice and weak-willed too. doesn't mean your niceness is why you are weak-willed. feel me?
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Meh. If you cheat from time to time are u a faithful man?
 
Joshua 3:16 said:
Based on what he was about I think he accomplished what he set out to do
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What's that save us from our sins? Then why are people still scared of going to hell? Still living shitty lives? etc.

He didn't do shit.
 
TheMasterKey said:
What's that save us from our sins? Then why are people still scared of going to hell? Still living shitty lives? etc.

He didn't do shit.
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I didnt say any of it was factual or anything. He was described as a selfless humble man, who wanted people to follow his father's faith, as he thought it was the right way to live. Of course there was shitty people/conditions during his time nd there still are but his faith taught that there'd be relief in the after life for those who stayed true to it.

Now I dont believe in any faith but as I said he did accomplish what he set out to do.
 
AP21 said:
free will

also, i think people are more afraid of the unknown more than hell but...thats another convo for another thread
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Oh, free will wasn't available before Jesus? Interesting lol So all the pharaohs, kings and queens, etc didn't have free will, gotcha
 
BNE said:
hell no. i don't think thats a fair parallel though. is standing up for yourself a contradiction to niceness?

to be truly nice might entail defending other people as well as yourself at times. being non-confrontational goes hand in hand with niceness, that means that niceness and goodness or kindness are no longer synonymous.
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The turn the next cheek mindset will get u no where
 
Joshua 3:16 said:
I didnt say any of it was factual or anything. He was described as a selfless humble man, who wanted people to follow his father's faith, as he thought it was the right way to live. Of course there was shitty people/conditions during his time nd there still are but his faith taught that there'd be relief in the after life for those who stayed true to it.

Now I dont believe in any faith but as I said he did accomplish what he set out to do.
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Idk b. I thought his mission was to save us from our sins, which never happened.
 
TheMasterKey said:
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i think i posted before, i gotta homeboy who's a legi full fledged chemist....

nigga make like 6 figures....brilliant as fuck... big ass house all that......

he's mad smart... and that kinda intelligence always attracts people....

so that whole nice guy finish last shit never applied to homey.....he just don't brag about the shit.....

nigga know how to invest, gotta portfolio n all that....just mad quiet about it all


my other homeboy, real nice guy,.....dude been working for tsa for 15years.....his mom in real estate, so he just moved down to texas to help her with the business, but this nigga be caking too.....and this like my best friend... he ain't the nigga that's gonna be in the club poppin bottles pulling bad bitches like that,... but he nice as fuck on the online dating tip, and be smashing weird off beat chicks all the time....

been doing that shit since aol chat rooms back in the 90's.....

so i mean it's all relative....

they bothe nice guys, and i don't see how anyone can say they finishing last in anything
 
Funny you made this thread. One of my best friends would qualify as a "bad guy" to most women. He's your typical hood dude that's been in the streets. Got locs and tattoos. He looks the part. But beyond the surface he is a smart dude. He just carries himself a certain way that I guess some women like. But he hit me up asking me for advice on whether he should talk to this chick that he works with that had been at him heavy.

She is engaged...

So im trying my best to talk him out of it. He's starting to understand my perspective and decided to text her and see what's good at home and what they are even doing.

She basically says she "loves" her fiance and they have a 2 year old. He treats her good and what not....but then says he just isn't him (referring to my homie) and that he makes her feel pretty and wanted. And there's just something about him she likes and he's funny and exciting. So he shows me her response. I'm like...why would you wanna be involved with someone That moves like that?

He agreed...but im sure he still gonna smash. Lol






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BNE said:
I agree but since when did the turn the other cheek mindset become mutually dependent with niceness?

There are plenty of people who turn the other cheek because it's in their interest and/or they don't want trouble, not because they're nice. Cowardice is just as often the motivation. Just like niceness or a desire to be good to others/themselves can often be a factor in not turning the cheek.

Example: speaking up and defending someone that a group is unfairly ganging up on. they're doing the right thing and proving they're nice but if we're going by the "niceness is weakness" school of thought, confrontation is in contradiction to niceness and therefore they're no longer nice? idk. this shit is confusing.
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You're confusing yourself b lol
 
BNE said:
I agree but since when did the turn the other cheek mindset become mutually dependent with niceness?

There are plenty of people who turn the other cheek because it's in their interest and/or they don't want trouble, not because they're nice. Cowardice is just as often the motivation. Just like niceness or a desire to be good to others/themselves can often be a factor in not turning the cheek.

Example: speaking up and defending someone that a group is unfairly ganging up on. they're doing the right thing and proving they're nice but if we're going by the "niceness is weakness" school of thought, confrontation is in contradiction to niceness and therefore they're no longer nice? idk. this shit is confusing.
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People often mistake kindness for weakness. The lines have become so blurred. They are not the same.
 
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