I Believe In God....But...

[Remy_LeGermz]

"Life is God's game"...Yeah, I've thought about it like that before...Actually, when you look at it that way it does take a little of the sting out the negative parts of life...We all just inconsequential characters in a video game...

Also removes the need for all of us to want to be the same

 

[AZTG]

I look at it like this, if you ever played a sim..like xcom, or city builder, or some rpg where you create ur character in the image of what you want it to be. You have an overall viewpoint of what you want to happen. Sometimes you gotta sacrifice players, sometimes you make some stronger in areas and some weaker in areas. But it's all part of a bigger plan that only you understand.

Some of us are on a quest,some of us are quest givers, some of us are romantic interests, some of us are boss characters, some of us are healers, some of us are tanks, mages, rogues, champions, and some of us are just NPCs.

Bruh apply this to reality and you realize even more how insignifact we are.

Not to get too scientifical but human beings are 4 dimensional beings(actually 3 since time was ruled out as a dimension but lets keep it simple and say 4). The 4 dimensions are length, width, and depth and time. Otherwise described as up down, left right, and forward backwards plus time. those are not only the dimensions that humans exist in but also the dimensions that we can perceive. Basically the x,y, and z axises.

Now with keeping that in mind, take a pencil and draw something thats 2d on a peice of paper. A picture of anything that only has length and width. Once you draw that, think about how much more powerful you are as a 4 dimensional being than something existing as a 2 dimensional being. Even if that 2d picture gained sentience and came to life, it will never be able to outgrow the limitations of the paper you drew it on and think about how insignifcant it would be to just you. And then think about the fact that are 8+ billion beings like you. That 2d life form ends up having literally no meaning.

Now lets take that and add a bit more science. The string theory claims that our universe has 10 dimensions plus time. Some scientists claim there are even more dimensions but mathametically theoretical physicists agree that there is atleast 10. Being 4d (or 3d) beings our minds really cant even wrap themselves around what these other dimensions might even be.

Now take that example of the limitations of the drawings on paper and apply it to us when compared to a 5d being. We end up being less than insignificant to a single 5d being let alone tens or thousands or millions of them. And on top of that there are 5 more dimensions to go.

That is literally the universe we exist in. This aint no new age shit either. This is actual physics, most of which is accepted as fact at this point.

insignificant isnt even the word to describe what we are to the grand scheme of things and yall worried about heaven and hell and good and evil and a god existing.

The human ego is a motherfucker and we want us to matter and us mattering to a god that created us and keeps track of us and will reward us is a comforting thought but the more we learn about the universe the more it become apparent that there is no way we matter that much and all that shit is a lie to make ourselves feel better.

 

[Remy_LeGermz]

That's why all you need to think about making a difference to is those you love. You might not mean nothing to the existence, but your existence to them means everything

 

[AZTG]

Yeah I had a heavy argument with my boy about this. He's the absolute most solid nigga but he doesn't play with his religion and faith. A group of us were having a convo about religion and basically he was telling one dude he needs to give himself to God before he can be accepted to heaven and everything is forgiven if not its hell for him. I was just kicking back the whole time but that shit struck a cord with me. I'm personally a God fearing man but I don't subscribe to any religion cause I just don't take them literally. So I had to ask "if a dude that's in jail for killing 10 people and he "gives himself" to God but because I didn't exactly (and wont) put that on the table he's more worthy of getting thru heavens gates than me? Even tho I'm one of the most stand up niggas you know?"

Dude deadass looked me in the face and said "yes"

I'm out here doing the best I can and I might do some dirt, might have to get a nigga outta here. But I know in my heart I'm a good person. I ain't finna kiss no ring. I'm out here trying. If that isn't good enough for God I'm cool on that shit for real. I'm one of the more solid niggas he got. Accept the goodness in my heart or we can keep it moving. God don't owe me shit I don't feel I owe him anything either tho. I know my heart tho.

Real shit bruh.

Ima good dude man but I dont believe in any of this. If it ends being just like they say it is and ima go to hell just cause I aint believe even though im a good dude and some scumbag gets to heaven just for believing than ima take that L willingly.

 

[5 Grand]

1. Did God create man or did man create God?

2. If there's two people, person A and person B.

Person A works hard in school, studies, does his homework, gets good grades, goes to college and becomes a lawyer or an accountant.

Person B fucks around in high school, smokes weed in the parking lot, skips class, and barely graduates. Doesn't go to college and spends his life as a security guard making $10 per hour.

If person A and person B both have children, shouldn't person A be able to provide a better life for his child because he worked harder?

Shouldn't person A be able to send his kids to summer camp, private school and buy the kid a car for his 17th birthday?

3, If you have two more people, person C and person D. If person C says their prayers before he/she eats, before he/she goes to bed, donates to the poor and tries to make it to church/mosque at least once a week.

Person D doesn't pray, drinks, smokes and gambles. Person D doesn't donate to charity. Person D hasn't been to church or Mosque in years.

If there is a "God", who should have better luck? Whose children should have it easier? Should person C's grandchildren have it better than person D's grandchildren?

Who should make it to eternal paradise?

 

[T. Sanford]

1. Did God create man or did man create God?

2. If there's two people, person A and person B.

Person A works hard in school, studies, does his homework, gets good grades, goes to college and becomes a lawyer or an accountant.

Person B fucks around in high school, smokes wees in the parking lot, skips class, and barely graduates. Doesn't go to college and spends his life as a security guard making $10 per hour.

If person A and person B both have children, shouldn't person A be able to provide a better life for his child necause he worked harder?

Shouldn' person A be able to send his kids to summer camp, private school and buy the kid a car for his 17th birthday?

3, If you have two more people, person C and person D. If person C says their prayers before he/she eats, before he/she goes to bed, donates to the poor and tries to make it to church/mosque at least once a week.

Person D doesn't pray, drinks, smokes and gambles. Person D doesn't donate to charity. Person D hasn't been to church or Mosque in years.

If there is a "God", who should have better luck? Whose children should have it easier? Should person C's grandchildren have it better than person D's grandchildren?

Who should make it to eternal paradise?

Depends on what you defining church as. As long as 2 or more people are discussing the relationship for GOD, then you are having church. Me and my uncle talk about bettering our relationship with GOD and strengthen our faith almost every time, we link up.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Naw, I'm just goin off when you said...



...And...



....So based off that, I brought up babies who are born suffering because as far as we know they haven't done anything sinful at all...They haven't exercised any free will yet...But if we're gonna settle for accepting the fact that it's just a chaotic world and bad things happen to good people, okay...Seems like another dick move to put us in a place like this, but okay...

You picking and choosing parts of what I'm saying, and not getting the whole picture. Sin is what led to humanity being in this world not Eden. Sin is what keeps people doing shitty things. No a baby's sin is not what causes some babies to suffer, but the reason anyone suffers anything at all can be traced back to someone's sin.

 

[VIBE]

1. Did God create man or did man create God?

2. If there's two people, person A and person B.

Person A works hard in school, studies, does his homework, gets good grades, goes to college and becomes a lawyer or an accountant.

Person B fucks around in high school, smokes weed in the parking lot, skips class, and barely graduates. Doesn't go to college and spends his life as a security guard making $10 per hour.

If person A and person B both have children, shouldn't person A be able to provide a better life for his child because he worked harder?

Shouldn't person A be able to send his kids to summer camp, private school and buy the kid a car for his 17th birthday?

3, If you have two more people, person C and person D. If person C says their prayers before he/she eats, before he/she goes to bed, donates to the poor and tries to make it to church/mosque at least once a week.

Person D doesn't pray, drinks, smokes and gambles. Person D doesn't donate to charity. Person D hasn't been to church or Mosque in years.

If there is a "God", who should have better luck? Whose children should have it easier? Should person C's grandchildren have it better than person D's grandchildren?

Who should make it to eternal paradise?

Person A, B, C or D are all free to choose how they want to live. Their choices will reflect the outcome of their lives.

None of the 4 chose to be a follower and believer of Jesus, so none of them make it to heaven.

 

[VIBE]

Man creates God.

if we can create God, Think of something bigger and better.

 

[5 Grand]

Person A, B, C or D are all free to choose how they want to live. Their choices will reflect the outcome of their lives.

None of the 4 chose to be a follower and believer of Jesus, so none of them make it to heaven.

I'm not Christian so what you've posted makes no sense.

 

[VIBE]

I'm not Christian so what you've posted makes no sense.

Because you’re not a Christian your reading comprehension fails you?

 

[VIBE]

L

fear & revered have two totally different meanings

revered

feel deep respect or admiration for (something)



fear

noun

1. 1.
   an unpleasant emotion caused by the belief that someone or something is dangerous, likely to cause pain, or a threat.
   
   
   verb
   1.
   be afraid of (someone or something) as likely to be dangerous, painful, or threatening.
   

I know the definitions, but Biblically there’s a difference. Look up what does it mean to fear God and you’ll see.

 

[VIBE]

Okay...So if you do believe in God in a strict sense...Those statements contradict eachother...God made us, and our free will, and the world...So if we're shitty, it can literally only be because God made us that way...And then he gets mad about it...Which is wild...On top of that, there are people who have never used their free will to go against God yet they still suffer...Which is wilder...

...If you don't believe in God in a strict sense, or at all...Yeah, I see what you mean...Some bad apples fuck up the bunch..

We weren’t made that way, all you need to do is look at mankind in the garden.

We were created sinless, blameless, perfect and to fellowship w God. We were in his presence.

We were given free will; the ability to choose what we want for anything in our lives. In the garden, the will to do whatever was to choose to disobey. There was only one instruction, not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. The first temptation & the first sin was committed.

This wasn’t forced upon us by God. It was freely chosen on the will of them.

Without free will, without the ability to disobey God, there’s only a forced loved and worship, which is meaningless. If your spouse/child was forced to love you, forced to obey, rather than out of willful love, is it genuine? Again, a deterministic world does not produce love. That’s what everything w God is about.

 

[VIBE]

By that logic God also has to have a creator

That creator is humans

False.

If the Universe was eternal, would it have a creator? Logic says... no. It was thought for a long time that the Universe was eternal, until they discovered all the evidence that shows we had a beginning to our Universe. A beginning has a beginner. God doesn’t have a beginning, he always was.

The Bible backs up both these facts; the Universe had a beginning, Gen 1, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.. God always was, 1John 1 in the beginning was the word, the word was w God, the word was God.

It doesn’t state God had a beginning bc he is eternal. He is outside space and time, since outside of the Universe that doesn’t exist, and he is outside the Universe since he was outside of it to create it.

The argument God needs a creator falls flat on its face when you logically review the facts.

 

[VIBE]

Biology does that, like I said before

To an extent. Again, science and God can coexist, they don’t because humans don’t want to think that way, they think there has to be a war between the two.

It doesn’t explain how life began, how our Universe began etc. science explains how things work. There’s a lot of holes in evolution, not saying it’s not true, bc it’s clearly a fact, but to the full extent we have learned? There’s holes and there’s a lot of playing around to try to make things fit.

 

[VIBE]

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The whole premise of this thread is that if God actually is a "big guy in the sky"...He's an asshole...So I would imagine that whatever God is it's much more complex than that...

The God of the gaps is a horrible way to give a reasoning to believe in God. I believe not because it’s unexplainable but because it is explained in such a beautiful way. The complexity of these things being random, all of it, is insanely illogical to think it can happen. Everything is so fine-tuned in our Universe, on our planet, in our bodies. DNA being random? Proteins, RNA? DNA is information, a code. I highly doubt you would ever think that a computer was random and so were it’s functions. You know, by experience, that all information and code requires an intelligent mind, correct? Why is it it different when it comes to DNA? That’s one very long, long, long code... randomly? The evidence points to a Creator, not the lack of evidence, or lack of explainability.

 

[Old Man Cain]

That nigga Job praised that nigga god every damn day and god let satan torment him as a damn bet. God is well passed just being a dick

Lol Job got trolled all throughout the Bible. God and the devil played with his life, God killed his wife and his daughters drugged and raped him in a cave so they could have kids. Sheesh

 

[Old Man Cain]

Lol Job got trolled all throughout the Bible. God and the devil played with his life, God killed his wife and his daughters drugged and raped him in a cave so they could have kids. Sheesh

Edit: that was Lot not Job who that happened too

 

[VIBE]

Lol Job got trolled all throughout the Bible. God and the devil played with his life, God killed his wife and his daughters drugged and raped him in a cave so they could have kids. Sheesh

Lot’s daughters got him drunk and had sex w him, not Job... his whole family was dead.

 

[Rubato]

False.

If the Universe was eternal, would it have a creator? Logic says... no. It was thought for a long time that the Universe was eternal, until they discovered all the evidence that shows we had a beginning to our Universe. A beginning has a beginner. God doesn’t have a beginning, he always was.

The Bible backs up both these facts; the Universe had a beginning, Gen 1, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.. God always was, 1John 1 in the beginning was the word, the word was w God, the word was God.

It doesn’t state God had a beginning bc he is eternal. He is outside space and time, since outside of the Universe that doesn’t exist, and he is outside the Universe since he was outside of it to create it.

The argument God needs a creator falls flat on its face when you logically review the facts.

Meh

Using only the Bible to support what God is and isn’t is like using a Harry Potter book to prove who Dumbledore is and isn’t.