HipHop Hasn't Done Anything Good For Black People

[Suckio Andretti]

Also, why do Carribean and African immigrants to America attend the same underfunded schools as Black Americans and consistently outperform the Black Americans?

Steel drums >>> Benny the Butcher

 

[Stiff]

Explain how hip hop culture translates to “stay outta schoo, kids!”

Then explain how the millions of black kids who did well, went to college, got an education but also listen to hip hop or identify themselves as part of the culture were immune to this supposed curse

Explain to me how thousands of people were able to smoke crack and still go to work everyday.

 

[genocide_cutter]

Steel drums >>> Benny the Butcher

 

[Inori]

nobody asked for sources yet? lol

You got the answers so break it down… just laying it at the feet of hip hop without the how or why is as intellectually lazy as you are claiming our black youth are.

So lay it out there. Time for you niggas making assertions to show and prove.

nevermind

 

[Inglewood_B]

Explain to me how thousands of people were able to smoke crack and still go to work everyday.

You’d have to show me somebody consistently smoking crack and still going to work and functioning first. Every crack smoker I saw eventually looked and acted like a crack smoker

 

[Stiff]

You’d have to show me somebody consistently smoking crack and still going to work and functioning first. Every crack smoker I saw eventually looked and acted like a crack smoker

Alright for the sake of argument you’re going to say there’s no such thing as a functioning crack addict.. let me try another way

Does everybody who joins a gang die or go to prison?

 

[loud-ninja]

This is great, now address my point. Why do Black schools in middle class Black neighborhoods underperform white schools of similar means?

I never once brought up white people in my post So I'm not sure why you are.

Also, you want me to debate a book , not an article, a book right now. A book I never read.

I looked it up. Saw a summary. Seems like the finger is pointed at the home of the kids and the school system. If you can pull from that book where he goes in with rap music, I'll be more inclined to understand.

 

[Gray Matter]

Here's an old video on the Shaker Heights controversy.




Again, the point is that if even many black kids in well-funded schools do worse than white kids attending the same schools, then inadequate resources - while obviously a problem for many schools -- can't be the whole story. I think hip hop is part of the problem.

 

[Inori]

Here's an old video on the Shaker Heights controversy.




Again, the point is that if even many black kids in well-funded schools do worse than white kids attending the same schools, then inadequate resources - while obviously a problem for many schools -- can't be the whole story. I think hip hop is part of the problem.

how you trying to make this correlation when them white kids are more than likely listening to the same music.

This whole school argument seems silly as fuck to me

 

[loud-ninja]

I never heard of a functional crack head. Cocaine head, sure. But not crack head. They usually don't keep their jobs

 

[loud-ninja]

Here's an old video on the Shaker Heights controversy.




Again, the point is that if even many black kids in well-funded schools do worse than white kids attending the same schools, then inadequate resources - while obviously a problem for many schools -- can't be the whole story. I think hip hop is part of the problem.

At the bolded is opinion based. So this is not fact. This is a case closed discussion then. But I will watch the video

 

[Gray Matter]

Another thing to consider is how black boys do in school versus black girls. Black girls do much better. Why? Being male-dominated, I believe hip hop plays a bigger role in shaping black male identity than in shaping black female identity. So it is one factor. Not saying it's the only one though.

 

[Gray Matter]

how you trying to make this correlation when them white kids are more than likely listening to the same music.

This whole school argument seems silly as fuck to me

You can't be serious. Hip hop plays a far bigger role in shaping the identity of black young people than in shaping the identity of white young people, even if they listen to the music roughly the same (which I am not even sure is true).

 

[Inglewood_B]

Alright for the sake of argument you’re going to say there’s no such thing as a functioning crack addict.. let me try another way

Does everybody who joins a gang die or go to prison?

No. Now stop asking rhetorical questions and make a coherent argument.

 

[Stiff]

I never once brought up white people in my post So I'm not sure why you are.

Also, you want me to debate a book , not an article, a book right now. A book I never read.

I looked it up. Saw a summary. Seems like the finger is pointed at the home of the kids and the school system. If you can pull from that book where he goes in with rap music, I'll be more inclined to understand.

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I’m not talking about “rap music”. I’m talking about “Hip hop culture” which not only includes rap music but also the cultural norms and values that come with it.

I mentioned White people because you cited lack of funding for Black schools as the primary reason as to why Black schools underperform. My point was, if that’s the case why do middle class Black students in majority Black middle class areas underperform white people of the same socioeconomic status?

My answer is different cultural values. What’s yours?

 

[loud-ninja]

How yall gonna tell me to read a book yall obviously didn't read, or research a statistic that was observed in one school and in one state but claim it is happening at most schools? Then throw "hip hop" in there but the kids themselves said everything but hip hop?

What we doing here?

 

[Inglewood_B]

How yall gonna tell me to read a book yall obviously didn't read, or research a static that was observed in one school and in one state but claim it is happening at most schools? Then throw "hip hop" in there but the kids themselves said everything but hip hop?

What we doing here?

I’m trying to get him there, but all I’m getting is more rhetorical questions.

 

[Stiff]

No. Now stop asking rhetorical questions and make a coherent argument.

One more I promise: do you agree with the statement that “gangbanging has never done anything for the Black community”.

 

[Inori]

 

[Gray Matter]

How yall gonna tell me to read a book yall obviously didn't read, or research a statistic that was observed in one school and in one state but claim it is happening at most schools? Then throw "hip hop" in there but the kids themselves said everything but hip hop?

What we doing here?

It's not just one school, and it's not just schools in one city. Shaker Heights schools just happen to be among the most well-known. Why would you think it's just one school? Obviously, we are making a more general point.

And just because the students themselves didn't point the finger at hip hop that means that hip hop couldn't possibly play a role? You can't be serious.