Free will. What is it and does it really exist?

[DOS_patos]

All you "free will is real" folks, think about this:

Frito Lay, the potato chip company, has a facility in Dallas where they spends millions of dollars every year to research how to get people to habitually eat their unhealthy products. They break down the science of snacks right to equations that determine things how crunchy people want their chips ("people like a chip that snaps with about four pounds of pressure per square inch"). If we have free will, what does that mean for us in a capitalist society where companies like Frito Lay are constantly making us do what they want with advertising and by selling us addictive products? How much freedom can I have? To me that shows that the environment and the things we are exposed to always interrupt our free will

marketing......
alot in our society is is vanity driven and the want and need to fit in.
they tend to market shit as people enjoying themselves and having the crunch to stand out.

that fits right into vanity

 

[DOS_patos]

free will is an illusion, science backs this up

i want smojke bruh....

dont come post this then run.

bring the smoke

 

[VIBE]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...ly-doesnt-exist-but-urge-dont-stop-believing/

 

[VIBE]

interesting article...

 

[Blue_London]

Capitalism is also part the reason freewill doesn't exist

 

[DOS_patos]

Capitalism is also part the reason freewill doesn't exist

What do you mean?

 

[Blue_London]

What do you mean?

Something as simple as wanting to boycott coke products they own more than half of the market and in most cases pretend that the other drinks are independent. So you don't have freewill of companies you use if they own everything

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Something as simple as wanting to boycott coke products they own more than half of the market and in most cases pretend that the other drinks are independent. So you don't have freewill of companies you use if they own everything

U dont have to purchase or consume these products though

 

[Blue_London]

U dont have to purchase or consume these products though

It's just an example of how capitalism narrows the market to destroy the options of free choice free will...it's the same for clothing etc

 

[DOS_patos]

It's just an example of how capitalism narrows the market to destroy the options of free choice free will...it's the same for clothing etc

I think you may be mixing these two up.
Free choice and anti monopoly is different from free will.

 

[Blue_London]

I think you may be mixing these two up.
Free choice and anti monopoly is different from free will.

I could be.. but the lack of choice limits free will?

 

[ChicagoFigure]

I could be.. but the lack of choice limits free will?

If anything the free market of capitalism encourages the free will of an individual to create their own.

Coca cola wasnt always around. They were probably limited in their choices before it came around. Free will created coca cola

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Same with clothes. Doesnt matter who holds monopoly, u can still wear whatever u want.

 

[DOS_patos]

I could be.. but the lack of choice limits free will?

Lack of choices of company?

Hmmm
I don't agree.
If I am able to come up with ideas....that others dont, its still free will of discovery. As far as your choice of support...I think that's not the fault of the company. Even if they buy up all competition....you can choice to not deal with those products.

I need to think about your point a bit more. I don't think I'm saying this right.
But you have an interesting point.

 

[12bitCounsel]

In some scenarios it seem like we don’t have a real choice because of limited knowledge. Like if someone walk into a trap that they didn’t even know was there, then it’s almost like the choice they thought they was making didn’t exist in reality of that instance. Their choice was to walk straight, from A to B successfully. But because a trap was there along the same line of path they took, and they walk right into it, their choice was robbed from them. The problem is cause in part by the fact they didn’t know the outcome and they was subject to time and chance.

I still believe we free to make our own choices though. The choices we make outside of knowledge should be kept to as much a minimum as possible. It’s not just about knowing what you want to do, sometimes it’s about knowing what’s happening on a way higher level.

I like these type of discussions.

 

[VIBE]

it’s interesting that free will is under a belief, and that free will is essentially connected to morality

 

[ChicagoFigure]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...ly-doesnt-exist-but-urge-dont-stop-believing/

a few things I don't agree with on this article...

1) the hitler example. If u fail to intervene young Adolf and he grows to be who he was anyway only means u cant impose your free will on others. They still have theirs.

2) the husband and prostitute example. If u consciously make a decision after weighing the possibilities u are exercising free will. Whatever choice u make is free will. That's why people say shit like "acting on your impulses." Bc your impulses are there, but u don't always act on them.

3) Deterministic view. We are more than 'a pack of neurons'. We are also impressionable. Ever notice how being around negative ppl can make u feel like shit n upbeat ppl make u feel better? The 'cheating' test they did on students did nothing more than prove we can be influenced. Also explains how our experiences in society and environment can shape us, but our free will defines us.

The part of the article that really caught me was when they discussed the 'antisocial' behavior. Some people would think killing a young adolf hitler is antisocial, while others think letting him live, leading millions of others to die later, is the antisocial response. Simply goes to show that its all a matter of perspective. That's where I think they answered the question though they seemed to draw a diff conclusion than me in the headline.

And ironically, most people who exert their 'free will' to make a decision, modification, achievement....started off by hoping for said result beforehand.

This was a good article imo, but I think they should've left it open to interpretation instead of answering it in the title.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Lack of choices of company?

Hmmm
I don't agree.
If I am able to come up with ideas....that others dont, its still free will of discovery. As far as your choice of support...I think that's not the fault of the company. Even if they buy up all competition....you can choice to not deal with those products.

The irony is that the choices we have are there because of those who willed themselves to create it.

 

[VIBE]

I don’t think free will is as simple as choosing between foods, clothes or cars.

It seems to come down to a spiritual type of issue. They’re stating free will is a belief system. It’s accountability. It’s why the article is stating to “believe” in it no matter what. Morality and free will go hand in hand. It’s spiritual in nature and nothing more.

That’s what I get from the article and from that I feel it becomes a bit more clear on what free will is.

 

[12bitCounsel]

Man it just mean you have freedom to choose. You can play chess and illustrate how free will works. Every player makes their own choice in the pieces they move.