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Former '106 & Park' Host A.J. Calloway Has Been Accused Of Sexual Assault By Two More Women

The Lonious Monk said:
I'm saying that shit happens. There is no rulebook or guidebook for interacting with people in that area. Both men and women take chances when it comes to getting what they want. Sometimes it pays off, and sometimes it doesn't. If a dude goes for it like that with a chick, and she isn't interested. She can get up and leave and never speak to him again. He doesn't have to be treated as a criminal just because he did some ill-advised awkward shit in an attempt to get some pussy. Again, women do that shit all the time, and they aren't crucified for it. Why should men be?
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There are rules to interacting with people in that area. What are you talking about? Pulling unwanted meat out isn't like accidentally stepping on your date's feet. It's not something a woman should have to accept as part of dating/interacting with men. It's not normal and shouldn't be normalized. It's actions like those and men acting like they're normal or no big deal that lead to "metoo". Any man out her pulling unwanted penis on females is a weirdo and may be a (future?) sex offender, if you ask me.
 
You're framing the discussion in a biased way. If this chick made it 100% clear to him that she wanted nothing sexually from him and he just pulled out his dick, I agree with you all the way. If this dude had absolutely no reason whatsoever to think that he had a chance at sex with that chick and he just pulled out his dick, once again everything you're saying is absolutely right. My point is that neither I nor you know that the situation was that clear cut, and realistically it usually never is. It is more likely that it wasn't particularly clear to him that he had no shot and that he believed he was in a situation where a bold move was what would get him what he wanted. He was wrong, but that doesn't mean he is some kind of unrepentant pervert. Now if he has a history of this, then yeah, that's different, he basically is a sex offender.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Bruh, you keep acting like all these people are doing shit they know crosses a line. Some of them might be, but others clearly don't realize they are. And how about you try just acknowledging that your experiences are different than others. You think dudes are just randomly pulling dicks out if they didn't think they at least had a shot doing that. That's not how shit works. Their whole purpose is to get pussy. Given that fact, why would any dude do something they absolutely knew would result in them not achieving their goal. That makes no sense.

It's more likely a cat had that work for him once or twice in the past or heard about it working for someone else, and decided to try it. Most dudes are not Cassanova. They are awkward and tend to just flail and attempt whatever pops to mind. If the last chick this dude dealt with often said "No" playfully and that was really his signal just to try harder, it's not that hard to see how he might take this chick telling him "No" with a giggle as a sign to do the same thing. Again, I wasn't there, but I'm not going to sit her and act like there is no set of circumstances where a guy could do some ill advised shit without really intending to be offensive.

And I believe his behavior did warrant an action. That action could have been her getting up and leaving. If she wanted to tell other women about him to let them know he's kinda creepy, that's cool too. But to put him out there and act like he's evil incarnate because he showed her his dick is silly, and it didn't lead to anything else, so no, it's not appropriate to act as if he did. Lastly, comparing a man going too strong when in a situation where he has some time of relationship and expectation for action to some dude randomly flashing chicks is stupid.
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I dont think everyone has the same experience as me but some shit is just clear as day. Ironically enough before I came back to this thread i came across an article of another woman who was killed for rejecting a man. So when you say "just get up and go away when someone makes you feel awkward" meanwhile the person causing said feeling is both bigger anf stronger than you then it should make you rethink just how easy that is. Especially around someone who having already ignored "no" has shown they have no regard for your level of comfort

You out here making more excuses for him and seem more mad at the woman than the dude accused of pulling his dick out. Why is that an action you seem so eager to just brush off? Yes you can do something offensive without intending to do so but you a fucking idiot if you don't think a grown man doesn't know that shit ain't at the very least pushing a line let alone crossing it.
 
BlackRain said:
I dont think everyone has the same experience as me but some shit is just clear as day. Ironically enough before I came back to this thread i came across an article of another woman who was killed for rejecting a man. So when you say "just get up and go away when someone makes you feel awkward" meanwhile the person causing said feeling is both bigger anf stronger than you then it should make you rethink just how easy that is. Especially around someone who having already ignored "no" has shown they have no regard for your level of comfort

You out here making more excuses for him and seem more mad at the woman than the dude accused of pulling his dick out. Why is that an action you seem so eager to just brush off? Yes you can do something offensive without intending to do so but you a fucking idiot if you don't think a grown man doesn't know that shit ain't at the very least pushing a line let alone crossing it.
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I can appreciate how crazy this world is and how that might cause fear for females in certain situations. I also agree that in this day and age especially, men should be more cognizant of that reality. That said, you can't use the fact that there are some men out there doing crazy shit to condemn other separate men for what they did. This guy pulled his dick out. He didn't try to kill her when she refused, so that shouldn't be thrown out there as reasoning for why he should be treated extra harshly for what he did.

I'm not mad at anyone in this case. Why would I be? It doesn't concern me one way the others. Stop with the silly accusations and stick to the discussion at hand. I've already stated that something like what he did is pushing a line. It's a risk for sure, but sometimes that risk pays off, so again it's a little silly or obtuse for you to act like a guy has to be stupid to do something like that when the reality is that sometimes it works. I'm not excusing what he did. I wouldn't do that and I would (and have) advised niggas I know to knock it off with shit like that. I'm also not saying there should be no consequences. I just believe that the punishment should fit the crime. Unless dude is a serial offender, he shouldn't be destroyed for what he did.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I can appreciate how crazy this world is and how that might cause fear for females in certain situations. I also agree that in this day and age especially, men should be more cognizant of that reality. That said, you can't use the fact that there are some men out there doing crazy shit to condemn other separate men for what they did. This guy pulled his dick out. He didn't try to kill her when she refused, so that shouldn't be thrown out there as reasoning for why he should be treated extra harshly for what he did.

I'm not mad at anyone in this case. Why would I be? It doesn't concern me one way the others. Stop with the silly accusations and stick to the discussion at hand. I've already stated that something like what he did is pushing a line. It's a risk for sure, but sometimes that risk pays off, so again it's a little silly or obtuse for you to act like a guy has to be stupid to do something like that when the reality is that sometimes it works. I'm not excusing what he did. I wouldn't do that and I would (and have) advised niggas I know to knock it off with shit like that. I'm also not saying there should be no consequences. I just believe that the punishment should fit the crime. Unless dude is a serial offender, he shouldn't be destroyed for what he did.
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It's not pushing the line to pull out on an unsuspecting female, it's crossing the line. There should never be any confusion if whether pulling your dick out will be welcome or not. So yes it is stupid, and also weird, to do.

You speak of the success rate of this tactic, what is your source? Personal experience? Friends accounts?
 
Mister said:
It's not pushing the line to pull out on an unsuspecting female, it's crossing the line. There should never be any confusion if whether pulling your dick out will be welcome or not. So yes it is stupid, and also weird, to do.

You speak of the success rate of this tactic, what is your source? Personal experience? Friends accounts?
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Again, you can say that all you want, but if there are men who have done things like that and succeeded and there are women who like when men do things like that, what's stupid is for you to act like there are no grounds for a guy thinking it's an option.

I've never spoken of the success rate. This isn't something I do. But yes I've had friends who pulled shit that when they were younger, and they were actually the most successful dudes in our clique when it came to getting chicks. I'm not claiming they are representative of anything. I'm just saying that I can see why some dudes might not think what this guy did was out of line. Again, dudes want pussy. If this is something he thought would absolutely lead to him not getting pussy, he wouldn't have done it.
 
On a slide sidenote, this is sort of like a discussion I had with a chick about dudes grabbing ass. She told me how it felt to have that happen, and I told her she kinda opened eyes to how bad a thing it really was. She said she didn't understand why I needed by eyes opened to something like that and that we should know how messed up it is. I get where she was coming from especially given her perspective, but I had to let her know that we never really saw it the way she did because we aren't in a woman's position.

I've never been that grab ass dude, but in college I had friends (the same ones I mentioned before) that did that shit every time we went out. At first, I thought it was foul, but when I saw that these dudes basically used that shit to get numbers and would be knocking those same chicks down two days later, it changed my perspective. It didn't make me want to do it, but at the same time, I didn't feel like I could go tell them to stop if it was working for them.

The chick asked me about success rate too. I told her I didn't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was 50%. She said 50% should tell a dude it's not a good thing to do. I asked her if she thought a guy grabbing a girl's ass was as bad as a guy punching another guy in the face. She said yes. Then I asked her what percent of dudes would get a bad reaction from punching another guy in the face. She said 100%. And my reply was like that why guys don't always understand how messed up it is. Because it's hard to see those two actions as equally bad if one will 100% get you into a fight and the other will 50% get you some pussy.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Again, you can say that all you want, but if there are men who have done things like that and succeeded and there are women who like when men do things like that, what's stupid is for you to act like there are no grounds for a guy thinking it's an option.

I've never spoken of the success rate. This isn't something I do. But yes I've had friends who pulled shit that when they were younger, and they were actually the most successful dudes in our clique when it came to getting chicks. I'm not claiming they are representative of anything. I'm just saying that I can see why some dudes might not think what this guy did was out of line. Again, dudes want pussy. If this is something he thought would absolutely lead to him not getting pussy, he wouldn't have done it.
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To the bold, you mentioned in your previous post that it is a successful tactic at times. You then followed the bold with saying your friends were successful with it. So you have spoken on its success rate.

It's stupid of me to think a man should have a clear understanding of a female's wishes before pulling out dick? That's really your stance? I truly hope not.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I can appreciate how crazy this world is and how that might cause fear for females in certain situations. I also agree that in this day and age especially, men should be more cognizant of that reality. That said, you can't use the fact that there are some men out there doing crazy shit to condemn other separate men for what they did. This guy pulled his dick out. He didn't try to kill her when she refused, so that shouldn't be thrown out there as reasoning for why he should be treated extra harshly for what he did.

I'm not mad at anyone in this case. Why would I be? It doesn't concern me one way the others. Stop with the silly accusations and stick to the discussion at hand. I've already stated that something like what he did is pushing a line. It's a risk for sure, but sometimes that risk pays off, so again it's a little silly or obtuse for you to act like a guy has to be stupid to do something like that when the reality is that sometimes it works. I'm not excusing what he did. I wouldn't do that and I would (and have) advised niggas I know to knock it off with shit like that. I'm also not saying there should be no consequences. I just believe that the punishment should fit the crime. Unless dude is a serial offender, he shouldn't be destroyed for what he did.
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Ok so you go ask the women you know how many times a dude has made them change their mind from no to a genuine yes by doing that...im certain you'll find an extremely low to 0% success rate. The world ain't a porn movie. Shit don't work like that in real life...and you keep saying unless dude is a serial offender meanwhile he has multiple accusations so the idea that he just might be one because of people like you saying "it ain't that serious" giving the shit a pass shouldn't be hard to fathom
 
The Lonious Monk said:
No chick is going to die from seeing a dick. If the two people are alone and the guy misreads the situation and shows an unwilling woman his dick, that shouldn't be seen as the end of the world. If she thinks he's creepy and doesn't want to deal with him, that's fair, but to act like he committed some huge sin is stupid. People over simplify interactions between men and women way too much. I don't know why it's so hard for some people to understand that some women like certain things and other women would be offended by those same things, and sometimes some men make mistakes when it comes to determining which group a particular woman falls into.

Also, let's be clear, women do shit like this all the time. The only difference is whether a man is interested or not, he doesn't make a big deal out of it.
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Bruh never in life have a heard of pulling your meat on somebody that’s not in the same page being cool. That shit is a charge. Misreading a situation to pulling my dick out is a crazy jump.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Again, you can say that all you want, but if there are men who have done things like that and succeeded and there are women who like when men do things like that, what's stupid is for you to act like there are no grounds for a guy thinking it's an option.

I've never spoken of the success rate. This isn't something I do. But yes I've had friends who pulled shit that when they were younger, and they were actually the most successful dudes in our clique when it came to getting chicks. I'm not claiming they are representative of anything. I'm just saying that I can see why some dudes might not think what this guy did was out of line. Again, dudes want pussy. If this is something he thought would absolutely lead to him not getting pussy, he wouldn't have done it.
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How many times has a guy thought he was gonna get some pussy and don’t? Literally all the time. So because he thought that whipping out was going to get some pussy he deserve to be charged. That’s literally crazy to do bruh. Regular people don’t do this
 
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