Blue_London
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My bad thought you was keeping tabs on everything that's been posted here
Do You Only Consider Black People Born In The States Black?
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Mr BFK
Active Member
it was a bad take bruh
and it's wild when u portray urself as some mature intelligent poster
but whenever someone disagrees, u just devolve instantly with ur responses
using gang members as an example to try to support ur argument just undermines credibility
Mr BFK
Active Member
this is fair but how do u ignore the gang member example
and not raise an eyebrow like this mofo can't be serious
I'm cool with being open-minded..........but not so much that ur brain falls out
SeaSnake
OG
it was a bad take bruh
and it's wild when u portray urself as some mature intelligent poster
but whenever someone disagrees, u just devolve instantly with ur responses
using gang members as an example to try to support ur argument just undermines credibility
Blood and crips gave me Fox News vibes
RandomNegro
Active Member
Damn I think I gotta read all the comments and come back
this is fair but how do u ignore the gang member example
and not raise an eyebrow like this mofo can't be serious
I'm cool with being open-minded..........but not so much that ur brain falls out
This is where me having a classification in studying race and ethnicity comes in handy...As a micro example if the point was to show a lack of unity based along strictly racial lines. Then it wasn't wrong. It was low hanging fruit...but it wasn't wrong. You also have to divorce yourself from the wild interpretation given by the person who responded. But in a vacuum if the basis is discussing solidarity based solely or even mainly on race alone...there's a myriad of examples to choose from that show it's not really a thing the way people want it to be
Mr BFK
Active Member
the funny thing is
I always evaluate the post and never really the poster.....it's rarely personal for me
but I can't take a mofo serious on a topic like this and then ignore such a bad take like that
that Blood/Crip bullshit should've never even popped up.......and that isn't the 1st time I seen him use that example
in one thread cuzzo told me to turn in my melanin for suggesting I'd smash Candace Owens
now in this thread we talking about the potential for black unity.....but now he implying it's impossible cuz gang members kill each other
I appreciate ur loyalty fam but @The Lonious Monk obviously don't think that much of black people as a whole
the funny thing is
I always evaluate the post and never really the poster.....it's rarely personal for me
but I can't take a mofo serious on a topic like this and then ignore such a bad take like that
that Blood/Crip bullshit should've never even popped up.......and that isn't the 1st time I seen him use that example
in one thread cuzzo told me to turn in my melanin for suggesting I'd smash Candace Owens
now in this thread we talking about the potential for black unity.....but now he implying it's impossible cuz gang members kill each other
I appreciate ur loyalty fam but @The Lonious Monk obviously don't think that much of black people as a whole
Well you do got issues for saying you'd smash Candace Owens. And there's quite a few posters here who routinely show they think little of Black people and themselves. So if that's your issue then you got an issue with alot of folks who've made way worse takes lol
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
it was a bad take bruh
and it's wild when u portray urself as some mature intelligent poster
but whenever someone disagrees, u just devolve instantly with ur responses
using gang members as an example to try to support ur argument just undermines credibility
First, I don't portray myself as anything. I just post. I don't really care how you take what I post one way or the other.
People disagree with me all the time, and I don't "devolve" as you claim. What I don't like, is people making dumb posts criticizing someone else's opinion without actually being able to explain what wrong with that opinion Posts like that are stupid and pointless, and if that's all you got, I'd rather you not respond to me.
It's fine for you to not like my take, but if you're going to call it bad, you have to be able to explain why. Bringing up gangs undermines what I'm saying? How? Do gangs just not exist in your world? Are they not an example of people within our community that put a variety of other things over racial solidarity? Does their existence not serve as an impediment to black unification in a bunch of cities across the country? Is it not fair for me to point out that getting black people to show solidarity with other black people on the side of the world is nearly impossible if we can't get black people to show solidarity with people across the street? If my point is that fractured nature of the diaspora is why solidarity among black people is a pipe dream, how is me using gangs to show that such solidarity doesn't even exist in one community (African Americans) within the diaspora a bad take?
mryounggun
OG
Not for nothing, K'naan blacked out on this. And the last part of his verse is exactly what we're seeing here.
Mr BFK
Active Member
Candace still got potential to be converted back to the other side tho
but yeah there are plenty of posters in the same boat.........but that still doesn't absolve ur guy of that terrible POV
that shit sounded like something from a white person who has never interacted with actual black people
US gang members are such a minority......and they do not represent the majority of black people in the WORLD
it's wild af that u don't see the flaw in that logic
and why would u use the least aspirational/compromised category of Black people to support ur argument
that's like me saying that just because Black dudes on a NBA team can win a championship together
then that also means Black worldwide unity is possible
do u not see how short-sighted/goofy that logic sounds
we all have an off day sometimes bruh............go wash ur face and try again another day
Candace still got potential to be converted back to the other side tho
but yeah there are plenty of posters in the same boat.........but that still doesn't absolve ur guy of that terrible POV
that shit sounded like something from a white person who has never interacted with actual black people
US gang members are such a minority......and they do not represent the majority of black people in the WORLD
it's wild af that u don't see the flaw in that logic
and why would u use the least aspirational/compromised category of Black people to support ur argument
that's like me saying that just because Black dudes on a NBA team can win a championship together
then that also means Black worldwide unity is possible
do u not see how short-sighted/goofy that logic sounds
we all have an off day sometimes bruh............go wash ur face and try again another day
Lol at "my guy". If that's my mans then you don't wanna be associated with some of the people whose takes you done agreed with or vice versa lol
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
Candace still got potential to be converted back to the other side tho
but yeah there are plenty of posters in the same boat.........but that still doesn't absolve ur guy of that terrible POV
that shit sounded like something from a white person who has never interacted with actual black people
US gang members are such a minority......and they do not represent the majority of black people in the WORLD
it's wild af that u don't see the flaw in that logic
and why would u use the least aspirational/compromised category of Black people to support ur argument
that's like me saying that just because Black dudes on a NBA team can win a championship together
then that also means Black worldwide unity is possible
do u not see how short-sighted/goofy that logic sounds
we all have an off day sometimes bruh............go wash ur face and try again another day
I didn't bring gang members up to represent the majority of black people. That wasn't the point. I brought them to show easily solidarity in the community can be undermined. It doesn't matter that they are a minority. Their existence is problematic for unifying as black people. Again, it's difficult to try and unify the world when you can't unify a city.
lol I don't even understand the point you were trying to make with that NBA analogy. Human being have been forming nations and empires for thousands of years at this point. How many times has the entire world been unified? 0 Being able to show success on a small scale does not mean you can do the same on a large scale. The truth is there might be a real upper limit to how far unification can go before things start to fall apart. Most great empires fall apart because of internal bullshit before the external forces deliver the killing blow.
Look if you believe that black people across the world can be unified along racial lines, that's fine. I disagree. As an African American, I see how severe the challenges for getting us to unify are, and we're just one group. I don't believe it's likely that we can get all groups of black people to put aside differences to prioritize race especially when not all groups of black people even look at race the same way we do as African Americans. Again, we can disagree, but my take isn't bad just because you don't agree especially when all of history supports my side and nothing but your own hopes and dreams supports yours.
Mr BFK
Active Member
to be fair......I'm willing to agree/disagree regardless of what I personally think about a poster
u could be one of my favorite posters and I could still disagree wholeheartedly
I like balance and being objective so I like to call shit how I see it
plus if all mofos do is interact with their favorites and just cosign each other all day.........what do u think happens to the quality of a forum like this?
Playmaker88
Please say the Baby
When you follow personalities and not principles.. you allow for people bastardize, mold, distort the said principles under the guise real principles....
Black people are no different than any other people who fall victim to that stupidity
Black people are no different than any other people who fall victim to that stupidity
Mr BFK
Active Member
the bolded/underlined kind of contradicts itself
u basically made an argument using essentially a statistical example that undermined ur whole premise
u used Africa vs Europe as ur example, then u went to using gang members within the AA community to further support ur argument
u basically used a sample (gang members), of a sample of Black people (AAs), to correlate with a larger population (African continent being the original source of all Black people in the world)
the math alone in that stat example automatically undercuts ur own argument which is why it's a bad take (we ain't even gon explain the standard deviations associated with it either to further prove my point)
but the real problematic part is u used gangs as ur example of difficulty with AA unity
why not use college students.......or middle class working AA folks as a example?
that's what really makes ur premise suspect
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
the bolded/underlined kind of contradicts itself
u basically made an argument using essentially a statistical example that undermined ur whole premise
u used Africa vs Europe as ur example, then u went to using gang members within the AA community to further support ur argument
u basically used a sample (gang members), of a sample of Black people (AAs), to correlate with a larger population (African continent being the original source of all Black people in the world)
the math alone in that stat example automatically undercuts ur own argument which is why it's a bad take (we ain't even gon explain the standard deviations associated with it either to further prove my point)
but the real problematic part is u used gangs as ur example of difficulty with AA unity
why not use college students.......or middle class working AA folks as a example?
that's what really makes ur premise suspect
Bruh, you're getting it wrong. You're putting things together in a way that I didn't.
My core argument is that I don't see the entire black diaspora being able to unify or show any real solidarity along racial lines for two reasons 1) the diaspora is severely fragmented and 2) not all communities in the diaspora care about race the way some groups of black people in the West do. I only put up the maps of Europe and Africa as an example of how divided black people have been historically. Full stop. That's all. It was just meant to be an illustration because it can sometimes be hard for us in America where we all speak the same language, listen to the same basic music, eat the same basic foods, etc... to grasp just how segmented various other groups of black people are. For example, there are around 250 different ethnic groups and around 500 different languages spoken in Nigeria alone. That's crazy when you think about it.
I brought up gangs for a different reason. I wasn't correlating them to Africa or anything like that. I brought up gangs to show how easily some within the community will discard any concept of solidarity to fulfill other interests. Let's say, gang members only make up .5% of the African American community. I'm just throwing out that number. If we were talking about putting all African Americans in a room and working towards a common goal, then sure, such a small minority would be drowned out, but that's not how our community is arranged. The nature of the country already has us separated geographically. That small negative element might not be able to disrupt a whole nation of black people working together, but it can disrupt a neighborhood, community, or even city of black people which in turn undermines any efforts we want to make to organize nationally.
I'll give you a real example. Remember a couple years ago in ATL, after one of the many police slayings of an innocent black man, the black people in the city were protesting and the local government started putting a little pressure on the cops. The cops in turn pulled their Blue Flu bullshit to try and show that if they weren't around doing what they do, crime would explode. If all black people in the area were on code. the crime rate wouldn't have changed and the cops' tactic would have blown up in their faces. Instead, the relatively small criminal element in the area did exactly what the cops wanted them to do and undermined the whole protest. That element didn't care about solidarity along racial lines. If you can't get people to put aside differing priorities for a greater good in a single city, how are you going to do it across the world?
Mr BFK
Active Member
fair enough.........but u do see how when u use examples of Africa that u show correlation btw all Black people historically/globally
and AAs and gang members being associated together
if that wasn't ur intent, then u organized ur premise poorly and it came off like cracka based talking points
bottom line with using individual examples to say we can never unify, just sounds like u underestimating our own people
u think the Civil Rights movement wasn't an example of Black people being unified?
u think Black liberation movements globally weren't examples of Black unity that we can proliferate?
and truthfully now is the time to really start thinking about global Black unity when u consider what China is doing and how there are significant fractures in the US's global position
it would only make sense for Black people to start considering linking together when the threat of global racism is becoming more apparent
gang members are such a trivial point to make at this level
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
My thoughts didn't seem poorly organized to me, but if everyone else read them and took them the wrong way, I'll own that. That said, we could have saved all this back and forth if you dudes had just engaged me in a civil manner from the start rather than throwing darts at me because you didn't like/understand the point I was trying to make.
I never said black people can't unify. Of course we can. However, unifying small pockets within a population is very different from unifying the entire population. I'm glad you brought up the Civil Rights movement because it basically proves my point. It started in the 50s right and that focused movement ended almost as soon as the Civil Rights Act was signed and MLK was killed. So probably the best example of black unity in the West lasted less than 30 years and was replaced by a bunch of splinter groups that haven't been nearly as successful fighting for black empowerment.
I don't disagree with you that worldwide black unity would be wonderful. I just don't think it's achievable. I think we'd be much better off focusing all our efforts on unity within the African American community, and even that will be severely challenging.
to be fair......I'm willing to agree/disagree regardless of what I personally think about a poster
u could be one of my favorite posters and I could still disagree wholeheartedly
I like balance and being objective so I like to call shit how I see it
plus if all mofos do is interact with their favorites and just cosign each other all day.........what do u think happens to the quality of a forum like this?
Oh I agree with you that it shouldn't be about just agreeing with people you like. But I'm also a strong advocate of being aware of just who is agreeing with you on certain shit. Might make you rethink your stances on somethings if you find yourself being of like mind with certain people