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Active shooter at Texas Robb Elementary school with 19 kids and 2 Adults dead, 18 year old shooter killed

PhenomTheMac said:
Oakland murder rates have been consistently down for 20 years now. And were down 5 straight years prior to the pandemic. So yeah they are working.
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Because Oakland is kicking out poor folks and moving in Asians.

No crime needs to be committed when folks are doing good.

Like I said before. The politicians is doing a great job getting folks out with no push back. Without them having to worry about us fighting back physically because voting don’t do shit they can get us out easy


also you didn’t understand what he posted about FYI
 
Overall folks are less violent than 30 years ago even with the influx of more guns being purchased.
 
konceptjones said:
The average age of mass shooters is 33 so what do you stop when you raise the minimum age to 21? Not much.

Elliott Rodger was 22 when he went on his rampage. His weapon of choice? Aside from the knife he used to kill his first three victims with, a 9mm handgun, legally purchased because he was over 21. Nothing would have been stopped.

Seung-Hui Cho was 23 when he shot up Virginia Tech. His weapons of choice? A .22LR and 9mm handguns. He bought them legally, even passing a background check twice (he bought them on separate occasions). Again, nothing would have been stopped.

Adam Lanza was 20 when he shot up Sandy Hook Elementary. His weapons? An AR-15, 10mm handgun, and a 9mm handgun (this is not including the .22lr rifle he killed his mother with or the 12ga cops found in his car). The only gun he was legally allowed to possess was the rifle, the other two he wasn't because he was underage but that didn't stop anything. The only thing that should have been stopped would have been the killings using those pistols.

The thing that most folks are missing from all of this: Nearly every mass shooter in the last 20-25 years had mental issues and some were even reported to the police on more than one occasion. The Uvalde shooter? He used to cut himself (even slashing his own face) and threatened to rape chicks and kill muhfuckas.

^^^ That's the real problem. Guns don't kill anyone without a person willing to use it in that manner. These crazy ass dudes gettin' guns is the problem, not the guns themselves. Wanna stop mass shootings? Deal with the mental health crisis in this country and I'd put folding money you'll see a drastic reduction in this type of shit. In the meantime, figure out a way to flag dudes like this to keep them from legally buying guns.
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So because you can’t stop all mass shootings don’t try to stop any? The knots you people twist yourselves into to justify having an arsenal is insane.

Why can’t we keep the guns out of some people’s hands AND work on identifying and reporting the mentally ill before they commit mass murder? The gun side is the only side that wants to do nothing about guns and that’s ridiculous. You don’t see anybody saying “well don’t do anything on the mental health side because these folks wouldn’t be classified as “clinically insane” prior to them committing the murders”.
 
TheNightKing said:
So because you can’t stop all mass shootings don’t try to stop any? The knots you people twist yourselves into to justify having an arsenal is insane.

Why can’t we keep the guns out of some people’s hands AND work on identifying and reporting the mentally ill before they commit mass murder? The gun side is the only side that wants to do nothing about guns and that’s ridiculous. You don’t see anybody saying “well don’t do anything on the mental health side because these folks wouldn’t be classified as “clinically insane” prior to them committing the murders”.
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I think the logic is the same for folks who want gun control without considering the full context of how/why we got here

once u express that u "don't care" about specific facts/circumstances regarding firearms and firearm ownership

then u automatically diminish ur own credibility whenever u are trying to get others from the other side of the argument to take u seriously




I'm personally a big 2A supporter and practice my gun rights at every opportunity

u can pretty much count that wherever u see me I got at least 1 gun (if not 2 or more on me)

but even I'm rational enough to sit and consider if more gun control is needed to prevent tragedies like this.....and I would support real solutions if it meant saving innocent lives

the problem is too many gun control advocates refuse to make arguments based on facts/real world solutions vs. solely using emotional appeal and insults to 2A supporters



u want others to take ur POV seriously without u feeling like u should be required to do the same
 
Mr BFK said:
I think the logic is the same for folks who want gun control without considering the full context of how/why we got here

once u express that u "don't care" about specific facts/circumstances regarding firearms and firearm ownership

then u automatically diminish ur own credibility whenever u are trying to get others from the other side of the argument to take u seriously




I'm personally a big 2A supporter and practice my gun rights at every opportunity

u can pretty much count that wherever u see me I got at least 1 gun (if not 2 or more on me)

but even I'm rational enough to sit and consider if more gun control is needed to prevent tragedies like this.....and I would support real solutions if it meant saving innocent lives

the problem is too many gun control advocates refuse to make arguments based on facts/real world solutions vs. solely using emotional appeal and insults to 2A supporters



u want others to take ur POV seriously without u feeling like u should be required to do the same
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I know where you are coming from, but I don’t need to know all of the intricacies of guns and gun ownership to have a conversation about gun control. No more than someone has to know about all of the intricacies of mental health to have a conversation about mass shooting catalysts.

Even so, only gun advocates greatly diminish the role of the gun in the equation whereas others do not diminish the role of mental health or other causes. We can do both but gun advocates say no kind of gun control will work.
 
TheNightKing said:
So because you can’t stop all mass shootings don’t try to stop any? The knots you people twist yourselves into to justify having an arsenal is insane.

Why can’t we keep the guns out of some people’s hands AND work on identifying and reporting the mentally ill before they commit mass murder? The gun side is the only side that wants to do nothing about guns and that’s ridiculous. You don’t see anybody saying “well don’t do anything on the mental health side because these folks wouldn’t be classified as “clinically insane” prior to them committing the murders”.
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It ain't about "having an arsenal". It's about identifying WHY this is happening and focusing on that instead of shit that doesn't really matter. This is a mental health issue and always has been, let's get controls in place that won't allow people with identified mental issues buy guns regardless of whether it's a handgun, rifle, or shotgun. And take a cue from here in Nevada and make it so that even private sales have to go through a federal background check with an FFL facilitating it. You gotta transfer the gun to the FFL, the FFL then submits the background paperwork and holds the firearm until the process is complete. If the person passes, it's then transferred to that person. If not, then it goes back to the owner. Add stiff consequences for selling outside of this process and if you sell illegally and the person commits a mass shooting then the seller is on the hook for accessory to murder.
 
TheNightKing said:
I know where you are coming from, but I don’t need to know all of the intricacies of guns and gun ownership to have a conversation about gun control. No more than someone has to know about all of the intricacies of mental health to have a conversation about mass shooting catalysts.

Even so, only gun advocates greatly diminish the role of the gun in the equation whereas others do not diminish the role of mental health or other causes. We can do both but gun advocates say no kind of gun control will work.
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Actually, you do.

"Ban all semi automatic weapons!!!"

Except the majority of handguns on the market are semi-automatic as are many hunting rifles. So because you don't understand this, you make statements that don't take into account the collateral damage you would cause should something like this be put into effect.

"Ban high powered rifles!!!"

The .223/.556 bullet the AR-15 fires is low on the totem pole when it comes to rifle ammunition, as I've already shown you. This would mean no hunting deer, elk, moose and it would make dispatching attacking bears or great cats while you're in the wilderness excessively hard. If you understood what different calibers of ammo is used for and it's capabilities you would know not to make such ridiculous statements.

So you DO need to understand this on a fairly competent level in order to have a conversation about gun control because you have no idea what you want to control because you have no clue about guns, ammo, and their capabilities.
 
PhenomTheMac said:
It's not a matter of taking guns from law abiding citizens. It's about making it harder for these mentally ill people to easily access firearms. It's not mental illness or gun control, it's a combination of both.
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I understand when gun control advocates say this isn't the intent

but when u don't take the time to fully understand the intricacies of gun supporters' views AND u take the time to insult them.....then how can u be surprised when they are skeptical of ur motives

guns are not just simply a recreation/hobby for law abiding citizens........u are literally asking some folks to give up the small bit of freedom they have to not have to live at someone else's mercy

many gun control folks refuse to admit that none of these mass shooting incidents are truly random and just see it as the gun is the sole problem


something has changed in the last 20-30 yrs or so with regards to mental health
 
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