You think it's fair to compare a kid that had parents capable of showing him the ins and outs of their business with everyone else? What should kids with parents who didn't work in their preferred field do?
OPINION Should college in the U.S. be free? Should college debt be forgiven?
- Thread starter DMorgan
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You think it's fair to compare a kid that had parents capable of showing him the ins and outs of their business with everyone else? What should kids with parents who didn't work in their preferred field do?
DMorgan
You niggas is EXCOMMUNICADO!!!
Life ain't fair. Also that wasn't the point of the example. I said what I said about the test and how easy it was for him to pass it but he didn't walk right in the door and get to take that test.
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A lot of high paying, important jobs require knowledge/credentials that only universities or colleges can provide. I get you don't want life to be fair, but what advantage does society get by locking out and punishing a group of people that don't have the means to pay?
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
college should be affordable and based on income level. that helps alleviate debt
ImaInfluenza
Who do you think you are? I am
Networking doesnt translate well
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
I don't have a degree. I've only ever had one certification, not counting the bullshit Dell and HP shit I got back in 02.
Right now I can command six figures just to get out of bed.
When I started in IT I was on a helpdesk for an e-commerce website. I was 6 months into the year as a file clerk and made $9.50/hr as a temp, with overtime I managed to clear $26k that year. 6 months after I got transferred to the e-commerce dept, the IT dept of that company approached me for a job on the corporate helpdesk; I made $15.66/hr. Three years later I was making $31/hr working as a Linux admin. Two years after that I was making about $41/hr.
I started at $26K and a little over 5 years later I was making $85K. No degree. It's 100% possible to do it, it all depends on what you go into.
ImaInfluenza
Who do you think you are? I am
I didnt say its impossible, I said alot has to go your way
AZTG
OG
We kind of had a similar discussion in the Mase thread.
Yall got to stop seeing everything through your own lenses. Just cause you were smart at 18 doesnt make it the norm.
College tuition and in turn student loans are predatory so yea get rid of existing student loans and fix the out of control rate that college tuitions are going up.
The majority of 18 year olds arent equiped with enough information or life experience to make an informed decision about taking a loan. At 18 people are innocent and optimistic and think theyll get a good job soon as they are done and pay it off.
The fact that they arent capable of making these decisions and colleges costing 100k and banks giving out loans to anyone who asks is what makes its predatory and would be illegal if the govt wasnt in on it.
Yall got to stop seeing everything through your own lenses. Just cause you were smart at 18 doesnt make it the norm.
College tuition and in turn student loans are predatory so yea get rid of existing student loans and fix the out of control rate that college tuitions are going up.
The majority of 18 year olds arent equiped with enough information or life experience to make an informed decision about taking a loan. At 18 people are innocent and optimistic and think theyll get a good job soon as they are done and pay it off.
The fact that they arent capable of making these decisions and colleges costing 100k and banks giving out loans to anyone who asks is what makes its predatory and would be illegal if the govt wasnt in on it.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
I told this back in the IC and I think maybe here, but while I was working my lil temp job gettin $9.50/hr, one of my friends graduated college with some sort of social work degree. She interviewed for a job as a social worker with the City of Detroit. They extended an offer to her on the spot and the broad interviewing her told her the job paid $7.50/hr to start with a smile on her face.
I just peeped hr FB page, looks like she's been a waitress at a spot downtown for a number of years.
AZTG
OG
This also goes back to how I said being poor leads to bad decisions and instead of bad decisions making you poor.
I come from a poor ass family. Pops had to worj 12 to 15 hours a day to make sure we was able to get by, so even if he wasnt financially illerate as fuck, he didnt have the time or energy to teach me.
So how was I supposed to know at 18 that student loans were gonna keep me in debt forever?
And then theres my boys situation. Single mom raised him and his brother, because she worked 2 jobs they said she made too much and he didnt qualify for financial aid, even though they lived poor as fuck. The only option he had to go to college was loans. He literally had no other choice.
And now my boy makes 100k a year and still poor cause he was over 100k in student loans.
Its a cycle that keeps the poor, poor.
I come from a poor ass family. Pops had to worj 12 to 15 hours a day to make sure we was able to get by, so even if he wasnt financially illerate as fuck, he didnt have the time or energy to teach me.
So how was I supposed to know at 18 that student loans were gonna keep me in debt forever?
And then theres my boys situation. Single mom raised him and his brother, because she worked 2 jobs they said she made too much and he didnt qualify for financial aid, even though they lived poor as fuck. The only option he had to go to college was loans. He literally had no other choice.
And now my boy makes 100k a year and still poor cause he was over 100k in student loans.
Its a cycle that keeps the poor, poor.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
No, you just have to go into a field that doesn't require it. Skilled tradesmen don't have degrees. You can get into software development without a degree. Clearly IT pays without a degree. The options are out there, you just have to be willing to do the work.
Race Jones
gangster. grace. alchemy
AZTG
OG
And btw, my situation is that Im a college drop out so I have no student loans and im never going back to school so free tuition wont effect me.
Like im good. I dont need any of this shit. But I still support free tuition and free colleges even though shits gonna hurt me on taxes.
That shit just aint right and the predatory tactics colleges and banks used would he illegal if the govt wasnt profiting off these loans.
Like im good. I dont need any of this shit. But I still support free tuition and free colleges even though shits gonna hurt me on taxes.
That shit just aint right and the predatory tactics colleges and banks used would he illegal if the govt wasnt profiting off these loans.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
he had other choices. He could have gone to a community college for cheap and took classes that transferred to a major university while working and stacking his bread (I did it for two years). He could work while going to a major university. I've seen entirely too many people from all walks of life do it. My first roommate in the dorms worked at the McDonalds across the street from campus for 4 years in order to pay for his pre-law degree so he could do his grad work at U of M. A chick I dated my freshman year worked as a cook at a college up the road to pay for her degree AND she had a child to take care of.
Lotta ways to pay for college. Grants are out there for damned near anything, you just gotta apply for them and working while you go to school has always been an option.
AZTG
OG
Also, @DMorgan and @konceptjones
Bruh, read up on the pscyhology of a person with above averate intelligence.
Usually a person thats smart doesnt realize their smart and expects everyone around them to be just as capable as they are.
So just cause your smart and avoided common pitfalls its unfair to expect that from the general population.
Like yo not to show off but im literally the smartest person in any room i walk into and all my life i never understood how people couldnt just do the shit I do. I would do something, suceed and tell everyone to do it too and be confused as fuck when they said it was too hard.
Thats when I realized as a person with above average intellect its unfair to expect mfers to process shit like i do.
And i dont agree with everything yall say but both of yall are clearly smart people and whenever these types of threads pop up yall come out and say how yall didnt fall for the trick or how so and so didnt make a mistake and i think yall doing the same mistake i was and looking at situations based off how yall would handle it and not how an average mfer will handle it and these laws and protections are put in place to protect the common man cause some asshole thats a bit smarter will take advantage of them to their detriment.
Bruh, read up on the pscyhology of a person with above averate intelligence.
Usually a person thats smart doesnt realize their smart and expects everyone around them to be just as capable as they are.
So just cause your smart and avoided common pitfalls its unfair to expect that from the general population.
Like yo not to show off but im literally the smartest person in any room i walk into and all my life i never understood how people couldnt just do the shit I do. I would do something, suceed and tell everyone to do it too and be confused as fuck when they said it was too hard.
Thats when I realized as a person with above average intellect its unfair to expect mfers to process shit like i do.
And i dont agree with everything yall say but both of yall are clearly smart people and whenever these types of threads pop up yall come out and say how yall didnt fall for the trick or how so and so didnt make a mistake and i think yall doing the same mistake i was and looking at situations based off how yall would handle it and not how an average mfer will handle it and these laws and protections are put in place to protect the common man cause some asshole thats a bit smarter will take advantage of them to their detriment.
AZTG
OG
Its funny you excuse everything other than the predatory tacticts.
Gon head and say yea your boy coulda did all this BUT them predatory tactics are wrong too.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
The Source magazine did an article on a millionaire from Detroit back in 91-92 or so. Fam was in Learning Disability classes all his life and barely came out of high school. He used to cut hair in high school, then took it up as a trade out of high school because his prospects for college were grim. Nigga flipped it into his own shop and, IIRC, real estate to the tune of over a million in the bank before he hit 30.
It ain't about intelligence. Being smart with your money doesn't take an above average intelligence, it takes common sense. I'll be the first to say I wasted a shitload of money back inna day on senseless bullshit that I could have put to work for me. All the money niggas spend on expensive clothes, liquor, weed and other drugs, clubbing, and car notes is money that could have been put to far better use to better your situation. There's a bunch of people that live like that, they don't go out much if at all, their clothes ain't designer and prolly copped from Walmart or a second hand spot, they drive a beater back and forth, and the money they do make goes towards their education or whatever. Those people aren't necessarily more intelligent; they're just utilizing their resources better in order to achieve a goal.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
Nobody is forced to take out a loan for school. If you can't afford XYZ university, start somewhere smaller (i.e. a community college) and stack your paper until you can afford it. That has always been an option.
