The Official World Politics Thread

[Peace_79]

Well hence why I said make it relative. I'm just looking at the schematics of a country like ours as compared to theirs. It's not saying it's a bad idea but facing the reality that it would require some retooling and thinking outside the box

That’s fair.

My thing is that is given.

Healthcare is one of the most large scale, most expensive, most complex, and most consequential systems that could exist in a country.

It is complex today - and yet 40,000 people needlessly die , 500,000 families lives are ruined through medically related bankruptcy, and 80 million people are uninsured and underinsured. Meanwhile we pay 2X as much as every other developed nation in the world and the astronomical costs are rising by 6% every single year (ie. an increase of $3 Trillion additional costs over 10 years); while literally providing the empirically proven worst health care outcomes in the developed world.

The fact that it will be complex to change it for the better is a given. I don’t see that as something to litigate or give us pause.

Hell - there are thousands of experts who have already researched every last part of the proposal in excruciating detail

Especially when that exact talking point is what is used to brainwash uninformed millions to accept the situation as it is because it is “impossible” to change.

Lots of things are complex and require out of the box thinking. Ok...

What does that have to do with the imperative to act?

 

[Peace_79]

It’s like during World War II saying

“oh man nuclear weapons and tanks and operationalizing millions of soldiers and jump starting the economy is hard

Ok ... AND????

What is the alternative?

 

[Focal Point]

That’s fair.

My thing is that is given.

Healthcare is one of the most large scale, most expensive, most complex, and most consequential systems that could exist in a country.

It is complex today - and yet 40,000 people needless die , 500,000 families lives are ruined through medically related bankruptcy, and 80 million people are uninsured and underinsured. Meanwhile we pay 2X as much as every other developed nation in the world and costs are rising every year; while literally prodding the empirically proven worst health care outcomes in the developed world.

The fact that it will be complex to change it for the better is a given. I don’t see that as something to litigate.
Hell - there are thousands of experts who have already researched the details

Especially when that exact talking point is what is used to brainwashed uninformed millions to accept the situation as it is because it is “impossible” to change.

Lots of things are complex and require out of the box thinking. Ok...

What does that have to do with the imperative to act?

Has notthin to do with it, it's about understanding the best way to start, we have these issues but do not have a universal idea as to where to start at as well as making it fair because what's fair to you will come off as unfair to others. Our diversity regionally wise is a strength and also could prove to be a hindrance just look at how our voting goes with different areas.

Again I'm not against change, but the best way how as well as universally accepted

 

[Focal Point]

It’s like during World War II saying

“oh man nuclear weapons and tanks and operationalizing millions of soldiers and jump starting the economy is

Ok ... AND????

What is the alternative?

Again what's design for one country is not necessarily designed for ours and the best way to get started is knowing where to start, being progressive for the sake of being progressive is a waste. Gotta be a set plan that is workable to all parties in order to get full effort

 

[ChicagoFigure]

So no one cares Dems tried to politicize the bill and add Green New Deal items that they ultimately let go of to pass it??

Surely we can call out both sides

 

[Playmaker88]

So no one cares Dems tried to politicize the bill and add Green New Deal items that they ultimately let go of to pass it??

Surely we can call out both sides

This is foolish..

Everything is political
Stop repeating these talking points

 

[ChicagoFigure]

This is foolish..

Everything is political
Stop repeating these talking points

Wtf u talking about?

Republicans got shitted on for tryna bailout big corps, rightfully so

But ignore putting relief on hold for unemployed bc they wanna throw in emission standards for airlines and tax deductions for solar and wind energy companies?? In a f'n 'bailout working class and small business' stimulus bill??

If they're lying it's one thing, but if they're not, then what??

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Summa u mfs very, VERY FAR from objective

 

[Playmaker88]

Summa u mfs very, VERY FAR from objective

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You are on a roll today...

Their is no such thing as objectivity in media/politics especially none

The question is who are they fighting for.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

You are on a roll today...

Their is no such thing as objectivity in media/politics especially none

The question is who are they fighting for.

Ok let's try an exercise

pretend a republican did the same exact thing (stall bill trying to push their agenda): post your response

 

[ChicagoFigure]

I think what's scarier than double standard is the denial.

What's consistent across the aisle of radicalism.

 

[Playmaker88]

Ok let's try an exercise

pretend a republican did the same exact thing (stall bill trying to push their agenda): post your response

I promise you i just answered this.

You got it.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

I promise you i just answered this.

You got it.

Nah, u didn't. U said there's no such thing as objectivity.

It's talking points to u. Nothin more nothing less.

No substance whatsoever.

I very simply asked that we call out bs on either side, this proves very obviously to be difficult to u based on your defensiveness.

Maybe no one u know is affected by this?

Be consistent. Thanks.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Mfs expect everyone to enjoy being DPed by the party they choose can't have an honest conversation with others if u can't have it with yourself

If ur unemployed n okay with Dems pulling that bullshit....what's that saying?

Cut off your nose to spite your face or somethin.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

The question is who are they fighting for.

Stimulus is for struggling economy, working class, unemployed and small businesses

What does green new deal items fight for relative to this crisis??

 

[Inori]

So no one cares Dems tried to politicize the bill and add Green New Deal items that they ultimately let go of to pass it??

Surely we can call out both sides

I don't agree with ANY party trying to attach some shit to a bill that has absolutely nothing to do with said bill.. It's a shitty tactic no matter who does it IMO

 

[ChicagoFigure]

I don't agree with ANY party trying to attach some shit to a bill that has absolutely nothing to do with said bill.. It's a shitty tactic no matter who does it IMO

Thank u

It amazes me that this is too much for anyone to admit.

It's borderline trumpism

 

[Inori]

 

[Playmaker88]

They wouldn't

:word??:

 

[Focal Point]

Damn that's my Rep talking that, nice woman, lotta fire though... her whole family like this