The official COVID-19/Coronavirus Discussion Thread...aka I hope I don't get the Rona

[StringerBell]

 

[Hundredeyes]

Alright man, thanks for your opinion. I'm not doing the back and forth and I definitely aint doing the conspiracy theories lmaooo. Bottomline is, mandate now is you need to be vaccinated and anti-vaxxers are the only ones complaining. I dont care cuz I'm not affected.

Welp I guess I'm getting conned then bruh. Hope it works out for you. Keep up the good fight.

lol ironically I’m not directly affected by any of the mandates in North America cause I don’t live there , I do obviously care though because a lot of precedents have been set and these are historically interesting times worldwide fam.

Notice how up to 3 times you couldn’t answer the simple ‘what is Canada’s exit strategy ‘ out of this crisis , no roadmaps etc but did take the time to come up with a whole lot of assumptions and silly seatbelt allusions . For someone who doesn’t do back and forth and doesn’t care about shit that doesn’t affect them personally you seem to have a lot in common with those anti vaxxers and conspiracy nuts … unreasonable…

 

[SeaSnake]

Smh folks act like we ain’t hit the hardest

 

[SeaSnake]

Again though, seatbelts don't cause complications. I have no doubt that covid vaccines can reduce the danger for anyone who catches covid. But it also can cause other health issues like blood clots for example. The risk of covid for anyone who's not old, obese, or ill, is small. So why should they be forced to take a vaccine? Why are we forcing kids to take this shit?

All of this would have been crazy to even envision 5 years ago, much less 10+ years ago. But everyone is cool with locking down everything and being injected with whatever they're told to take now. 99.9% survival rate but take this vaccine or else. Meanwhile being fat is celebrated. People getting fired and separated from society. Shit's unreal

Lol bruh how long have folks been fighting obesity? For years now. We know that food choice is a lot of times based on access and what you can afford. Fast food is always huge and it does not help that the healthy option at fast food places is a little higher. Yes we know if people just ate better obesity wouldn’t be a problem but our country makes billions from people being unhealthy and is their a lobby that is strong enough to push out fast food? A lobby strong enough to change our eating habits?

I mean I get it you want folks to make better choices no hand holding needed but we see they aren’t making those better choices whether it’s based on access or not. Would covid numbers go down if people were healthier yes but you’re not gonna make everybody healthy overnight.

 

[DOS_patos]

It’s actually hard to get top medical coverage in Switzerland if you are obese.

they cover a lot of things but relate everything to weight if you are obese.

 

[DOS_patos]

Pfizer's COVID-19 protection against infection may wane in months, but it still prevents hospitalization and death for at least 6, new studies suggest

Studies from Qatar and Israel found Pfizer less effective overall after a few months, but it's very good at fighting off severe disease and death.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Loch121]

Again though, seatbelts don't cause complications. I have no doubt that covid vaccines can reduce the danger for anyone who catches covid. But it also can cause other health issues like blood clots for example. The risk of covid for anyone who's not old, obese, or ill, is small. So why should they be forced to take a vaccine? Why are we forcing kids to take this shit?

All of this would have been crazy to even envision 5 years ago, much less 10+ years ago. But everyone is cool with locking down everything and being injected with whatever they're told to take now. 99.9% survival rate but take this vaccine or else. Meanwhile being fat is celebrated. People getting fired and separated from society. Shit's unreal

well yes because there's deadly disease killing a bunch of ppl and it's spread person to person.

That's why ppl are "Injected with whatever they're told to take now"

You say that like ppl aren't dying from this shit at crazy rates.

That's why there was a lockdown.

This shit is a special case and a crisis.

I know ppl who died from that shit,so a nigga can miss me with the bullshit

I'll take a 3rd and 4th dose of the vaccine to keep the ronies off my ass

IDGAF what's in that shit.

 

[DOS_patos]

Because it's irrelevant but I'll play along and then honestly I'm out man. It's not a conspiracy like I think you're trying to allude to and in 12-15 months Canada won't be talking about covid-19. It'll be behind us and housing or a major disaster will be the focus. Once the vast majority of Canadians (90%) are vaccinated they'll lift restrictions but for employers and public events, schools they'll keep the mandate indefinitely in their policies and I'm ok with that.

I'm not doing the back and forth because it's a waste of my time and I KNOW you're mind is made up. I'm 100% pro vaccine and think people (especially black people) should get it and that's my stance. I've had clients die from covid-19 and my wife's grandmother died from it as well (she had no underlying health issues btw). If yall aint wit it cool it don't affect me and eventually yall will have to get it but that's yall fight not mine. It's ok to have a difference in opinion but hey keep up the good fight.

Congrats on the marriage. Just gonna slide that in there huh?

 

[DOS_patos]

Unc dont miss nothing lmaoooooooooo

Unc !!! We not married yet we gonna tie the knot officially in 2023 (lockdowns put a damper on things), if your schedule allows it you should come out here ! It's gonna be amazing !!

I would love to come. My wife has wanted to meet you for years.
Feel free to send the invite to my Swiss address.

 

[Hundredeyes]

Because it's irrelevant but I'll play along and then honestly I'm out man. It's not a conspiracy like I think you're trying to allude to and in 12-15 months Canada won't be talking about covid-19. It'll be behind us and housing or a major disaster will be the focus. Once the vast majority of Canadians (90%) are vaccinated they'll lift restrictions but for employers and public events, schools they'll keep the mandate indefinitely in their policies and I'm ok with that.

I'm not doing the back and forth because it's a waste of my time and I KNOW you're mind is made up. I'm 100% pro vaccine and think people (especially black people) should get it and that's my stance. I've had clients die from covid-19 and my wife's grandmother died from it as well (she had no underlying health issues btw). If yall aint wit it cool it don't affect me and eventually yall will have to get it but that's yall fight not mine. It's ok to have a difference in opinion but hey keep up the good fight.

Again, I don’t live in Canada or the USA fam, where I’m at there are no mandates , the vaccine mandates and basically Canada’s policy is against the law here in The Netherlands, just like the mandates are against the laws of the many Scandinavian countries who are already done with covid but again, we’re going in circles… I and literally a 100 million other people residing in Europe ain’t taking it due to the science and government policies regarding natural immunity through infection … I have no intentions of traveling to Canada fam.

the irony of you stating that I’ve got my mind made up while claiming you’re 100% something is quite interesting lmao.

congrats on the wedding though and good luck over there in Canada…

 

[ThaManMythLegnd]

Lol bruh how long have folks been fighting obesity? For years now. We know that food choice is a lot of times based on access and what you can afford. Fast food is always huge and it does not help that the healthy option at fast food places is a little higher. Yes we know if people just ate better obesity wouldn’t be a problem but our country makes billions from people being unhealthy and is their a lobby that is strong enough to push out fast food? A lobby strong enough to change our eating habits?

I mean I get it you want folks to make better choices no hand holding needed but we see they aren’t making those better choices whether it’s based on access or not. Would covid numbers go down if people were healthier yes but you’re not gonna make everybody healthy overnight.

The bigger issue is that it's obesity is a major factor along with age for covid. That's the CDC saying this.

-"A study of COVID-19 cases suggests that risks of hospitalization, intensive care unit admission, invasive mechanical ventilation, and death are higher with increasing BMI"

-" More than 900,000 adult COVID-19 hospitalizations occurred in the United States between the beginning of the pandemic and November 18, 2020. Models estimate that 271,800 (30.2%) of these hospitalizations were attributed to obesity "

Obesity, Race/Ethnicity, and COVID-19

Having obesity increases risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

Young healthy people shouldn't be forced to take vaccines that cause complications with many, when they have minimal risk

 

[StringerBell]

Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug - BBC News

Thousands worldwide have taken ivermectin to fight Covid. But what's the evidence?

www.bbc.com

 

[StringerBell]

 

[ThaManMythLegnd]

well yes because there's deadly disease killing a bunch of ppl and it's spread person to person.

That's why ppl are "Injected with whatever they're told to take now"

You say that like ppl aren't dying from this shit at crazy rates.

That's why there was a lockdown.

This shit is a special case and a crisis.

I know ppl who died from that shit,so a nigga can miss me with the bullshit

I'll take a 3rd and 4th dose of the vaccine to keep the ronies off my ass

IDGAF what's in that shit.

I said people who aren't old or obese are at low risk for covid. I know people fukked up from the vaccine so no you're gonna listen.

And the lockdowns were supposed to lower the curve early last year. What happened to that? Now it's morphed into mandates, people losing their jobs, and people's kids forced to take something they don't need.

If you want to take a 3rd, 4tf, 5th booster...hell if you want an iv stuck in your arm feeding you the vaccine, that's cool. You don't have a right to demand others do that shit though.

 

[Loch121]

I said people who aren't old or obese are at low risk for covid. I know people fukked up from the vaccine so no you're gonna listen.

And the lockdowns were supposed to lower the curve early last year. What happened to that? Now it's morphed into mandates, people losing their jobs, and people's kids forced to take something they don't need.

If you want to take a 3rd, 4tf, 5th booster...hell if you want an iv stuck in your arm feeding you the vaccine, that's cool. You don't have a right to demand others do that shit though.

I didn't demand shit

 

[ThaManMythLegnd]

I didn't demand shit

I don't mean you, I'm speaking about the mandates being put in place.

 

[VIBE]

Lol bruh how long have folks been fighting obesity? For years now. We know that food choice is a lot of times based on access and what you can afford. Fast food is always huge and it does not help that the healthy option at fast food places is a little higher. Yes we know if people just ate better obesity wouldn’t be a problem but our country makes billions from people being unhealthy and is their a lobby that is strong enough to push out fast food? A lobby strong enough to change our eating habits?

I mean I get it you want folks to make better choices no hand holding needed but we see they aren’t making those better choices whether it’s based on access or not. Would covid numbers go down if people were healthier yes but you’re not gonna make everybody healthy overnight.

We need better regulations of what goes into our food. Look at the differences between the US and other countries… it’s crazy. A paragraph of ingredients for a box of whatever vs 6 words for that same item in another country. Yes, fastfood and over eating is still a selfcontrol problem but it’s just not as bad as here in the states

 

[DOS_patos]

Delta does not appear to make children sicker; Secondary immune response stronger after infection than after shot

The Delta variant of the coronavirus does not appear to cause more severe disease in children than earlier forms of the virus, a UK study suggests. Earlier this year, the research team found the Alpha variant of the virus did not appear to make children sicker than the so-called wild, or...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Inori]

Interesting article @ChicagoFigure

No, your antibodies are not better than vaccination: An explainer

Infection does offer some immune protection—but it’s unreliable compared with vaccines.

arstechnica.com

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Interesting article @ChicagoFigure

No, your antibodies are not better than vaccination: An explainer

Infection does offer some immune protection—but it’s unreliable compared with vaccines.

arstechnica.com

This is a good article with lots of info. But ofc I have some gripes.

Like in the Antibody section they compare the Cleveland study of a sample size of 50k+ (saying Nat immunity is similar to vaxx) to the Kentucky sample study of 200+ people (saying vaxx is 2x better).

Also, studies show antibodies alone aren't enough to determine immunity. Memory B cells (which remember how to make antibodies when needed/reinfected) are at least as robust, if not more, in natural infection.

I made sure to screenshot all this. My argument has never been to catch Covid instead of getting a shot. My stance is for folks who already got Covid before they can get a shot.

Your article made a good, reasonable point about variable differences in immunity reaction but there are enough studies worldwide (including the Cleveland study, Israel study) that weakens their argument. Even if there is variable reaction in natural infection, it's still proving to be (even in some of their cited studies) pretty similar to vaxx effectiveness.

So this portion here:

Yes hospitalization efficacy is great but infection efficacy drops to 50'ish% in that study cited.

Also note the next paragraph there's a sentence that acknowledge some of the vaxxed have natural immunity as well, which may be helping the vax numbers look better. Where as the numbers regarding unvaxxed is brought down by those who don't have a past infection...hope this makes sense.


This study on reinfection (natural immunity)

This study has more data during Delta emergence with a MUCH MORE highly vaccinated population (Israel 90 percentile to US 50'ish%) than any of the studies cited in the article. Which should we consider more relevant?

Regardless, when it comes to natural immunity, it's proving to be more effective with one vaxx shot than any other type of immunity, at best, and very similar to fully vaxxed w no prior infection, at worst.

At this point it's not about which is better, it's that both are good. In America people's livelihoods are being threatened for the same thing other countries are granting passes for. That's unacceptable.

Yea I know I'm not an expert so if I'm wrong I'm down to debate