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The fact of the matter is that these guns are coming from very limited sources and it is possible to track them and control who gets them. If you start holding people accountable for crimes committed with the guns they bought or sold that would go a long way towards curbing the problem. Who made the gun that killed all these babies? Who bought it? Who sold it to who? All of them need to be held accountable.
 
All this dumb shit you speaking is irrelevant

Nobody brought that shit up but the folks that argue against it

But instead you wanna talk about OTHER THREADS instead of this one.

I don’t give 1 fuck what you think I’m right and wrong about on this site because a certain group of y’all will ALWAYS disagree because on topic’s because y’all are weirdos and I don’t care at all about what you think I’m right or wrong about in here among y’all little weird group.

Take a deep breath my guy. Your guns are safe.
 
I think that elongating the process required before purchasing a firearm, would lead to an increase in interactions with these malicious folks and that would increase the chance that they are flagged as potential threats.

So to answer directly to your question, I think a few things would happen that would be of benefit. I think you would have less people legally purchasing firearms with ill intent if the process was longer and more involved. I think passing a licensing process not too dissimilar to acquiring a driver license, would be more effective at identifying some of these would be shooters. I think that process in conjunction with universal background checks would prove even more effective still.

Dude... he's "just asking questions"
 
There is no "both sides" to children getting their whole fucking face shot off though. You want an "uncomfortable conversation"? Talk to a mother covered in her child's blood and explain to her why she needs to convince you that guns shouldn't be so easy to get in this country even though you like to play with them.

Serious question: How old are you???

Did you live through the crack street wars of the 80's? And by that, I mean were you at least a teenager during that era?

All the shock and trauma of seeing kids "getting their whole fucking face shot off" came and went for a lot of us back then. Shit was on the evening news a lot. Some drug shit erupts into gunfire, mad innocent bystanders are shot and/or killed, children were killed as a result and mothers holding their babies in a pool of blood with a hole in their head or face shot off.

That was nearly 40 years ago; none of this shit is new. Those of us that lived through that era, that ducked when shots rang out and still instinctively do so anytime we hear anything remotely sounds like gunfire are probably numb to it at this point. If you weren't there, you wouldn't understand seeing this shit on the evening news damned near every night but it really was wild like that, more so for those of us living in NYC, Detroit, LA, and Miami at the time.

You're missing the bigger picture here: This level of violence ain't new in this country. And, yes, Congress passed strict gun control laws banning actual, factual fully automatic assault/combat weapons in response to not only the street-level drug wars, but also in response to mass shootings that happened back then. California passed a weapons ban in '89 as a direct result of one mass shooting, the ATF recommended banning the importation of any rifle that had no "sporting purpose" and G.H.W Bush sign off on in '89 making all AK47's and their variants and other guns near impossible to get.

Kids were still getting killed... A lot. The 90's wasn't really any better despite what the bans did. Kids were still getting shot, catching strays, etc and mass shootings still happened. And we still saw it on the evening news, except it went from being shocking to "damn, that's fucked up... Another day in the hood".

Now we're here. Despite what you think, guns are not that easy to get. There's entire classes of people that can no longer buy, possess, or own a gun legally: Felons of ALL types, and people with any form of domestic violence on their record, even misdemeanors. People who have been involuntarily committed to a mental facility also are unable to buy, possess, or own a gun (at least according to the letter of the law, Germs was still able to cop his and so was the VA Tech shooter). That alone eliminates a fuckton of people in this country from LEGALLY getting a gun. Realistically, the only step from this point would be a total ban on weapons and making ammunition something only law enforcement can purchase... Which would never fly and wouldn't work even if enacted because that only accounts for legal gun owners, it would do nothing for illegal guns in circulation. While such a measure would decrease these shootings, it won't eliminate them because, naturally, ammo will still manage to make it's way to the streets like everything else seems to.

Aside from a total ban, what's YOUR solution?
 
Serious question: How old are you???

Did you live through the crack street wars of the 80's? And by that, I mean were you at least a teenager during that era?

All the shock and trauma of seeing kids "getting their whole fucking face shot off" came and went for a lot of us back then. Shit was on the evening news a lot. Some drug shit erupts into gunfire, mad innocent bystanders are shot and/or killed, children were killed as a result and mothers holding their babies in a pool of blood with a hole in their head or face shot off.

That was nearly 40 years ago; none of this shit is new. Those of us that lived through that era, that ducked when shots rang out and still instinctively do so anytime we hear anything remotely sounds like gunfire are probably numb to it at this point. If you weren't there, you wouldn't understand seeing this shit on the evening news damned near every night but it really was wild like that, more so for those of us living in NYC, Detroit, LA, and Miami at the time.

You're missing the bigger picture here: This level of violence ain't new in this country. And, yes, Congress passed strict gun control laws banning actual, factual fully automatic assault/combat weapons in response to not only the street-level drug wars, but also in response to mass shootings that happened back then. California passed a weapons ban in '89 as a direct result of one mass shooting, the ATF recommended banning the importation of any rifle that had no "sporting purpose" and G.H.W Bush sign off on in '89 making all AK47's and their variants and other guns near impossible to get.

Kids were still getting killed... A lot. The 90's wasn't really any better despite what the bans did. Kids were still getting shot, catching strays, etc and mass shootings still happened. And we still saw it on the evening news, except it went from being shocking to "damn, that's fucked up... Another day in the hood".

Now we're here. Despite what you think, guns are not that easy to get. There's entire classes of people that can no longer buy, possess, or own a gun legally: Felons of ALL types, and people with any form of domestic violence on their record, even misdemeanors. People who have been involuntarily committed to a mental facility also are unable to buy, possess, or own a gun (at least according to the letter of the law, Germs was still able to cop his and so was the VA Tech shooter). That alone eliminates a fuckton of people in this country from LEGALLY getting a gun. Realistically, the only step from this point would be a total ban on weapons and making ammunition something only law enforcement can purchase... Which would never fly and wouldn't work even if enacted because that only accounts for legal gun owners, it would do nothing for illegal guns in circulation. While such a measure would decrease these shootings, it won't eliminate them because, naturally, ammo will still manage to make it's way to the streets like everything else seems to.

Aside from a total ban, what's YOUR solution?

The part about not owning a gun if you have a domestic violence charge isn't true. In GA you can...and there's still what's known as the "boyfriend" loophole where that law against not owning a firearm is related to charges against a spouse meaning it has to be a married couple. There are loopholes available to get around certain laws that prohibits gun ownership
 
The part about not owning a gun if you have a domestic violence charge isn't true. In GA you can...and there's still what's known as the "boyfriend" loophole where that law against not owning a firearm is related to charges against a spouse meaning it has to be a married couple. There are loopholes available to get around certain laws that prohibits gun ownership

This is true. However, with respect to the DV charge: what you're missing is if a couple has a child/children together, regardless of whether they have ever lived together, and either person catches a DV conviction, that person can't own a gun.

If any part of the GA law is in conflict with the federal Lautenberg Amendment, then the federal law will supersede the state law. Because of that, when you go to buy a gun from an FFL, if there's a qualifying DV conviction that pops up on the FBI background check you'll be denied a purchase. Plus, it's a question on Form 4473 and, generally speaking, most FFL dealers will stop you right there and tell you they can't sell a gun to you.
 
This is true. However, with respect to the DV charge: what you're missing is if a couple has a child/children together, regardless of whether they have ever lived together, and either person catches a DV conviction, that person can't own a gun.

If any part of the GA law is in conflict with the federal Lautenberg Amendment, then the federal law will supersede the state law. Because of that, when you go to buy a gun from an FFL, if there's a qualifying DV conviction that pops up on the FBI background check you'll be denied a purchase. Plus, it's a question on Form 4473 and, generally speaking, most FFL dealers will stop you right there and tell you they can't sell a gun to you.

Man my barber said he forgot that he had a domestic violence conviction on his record and said “no” on his 4473…

State troopers came to the gun store & arrested his ass that day smh
 
Man my barber said he forgot that he had a domestic violence conviction on his record and said “no” on his 4473…

State troopers came to the gun store & arrested his ass that day smh

Bruh, I was up in Ventura Munitions once and a Messican cat was at the counter doing his form and the muhfucka actually answered the line "Are you a fugitive from justice?" with a "Yes". Salesman looked at it, paused, and asked him "is this right?" and dude said "uh, yeah, I got warrants". Can't remember what the warrants were for, but the salesman told him he needed to leave the store immediately before they called the cops to have him picked up.
 
Serious question: How old are you???

Did you live through the crack street wars of the 80's? And by that, I mean were you at least a teenager during that era?

All the shock and trauma of seeing kids "getting their whole fucking face shot off" came and went for a lot of us back then. Shit was on the evening news a lot. Some drug shit erupts into gunfire, mad innocent bystanders are shot and/or killed, children were killed as a result and mothers holding their babies in a pool of blood with a hole in their head or face shot off.

That was nearly 40 years ago; none of this shit is new. Those of us that lived through that era, that ducked when shots rang out and still instinctively do so anytime we hear anything remotely sounds like gunfire are probably numb to it at this point. If you weren't there, you wouldn't understand seeing this shit on the evening news damned near every night but it really was wild like that, more so for those of us living in NYC, Detroit, LA, and Miami at the time.

You're missing the bigger picture here: This level of violence ain't new in this country. And, yes, Congress passed strict gun control laws banning actual, factual fully automatic assault/combat weapons in response to not only the street-level drug wars, but also in response to mass shootings that happened back then. California passed a weapons ban in '89 as a direct result of one mass shooting, the ATF recommended banning the importation of any rifle that had no "sporting purpose" and G.H.W Bush sign off on in '89 making all AK47's and their variants and other guns near impossible to get.

Kids were still getting killed... A lot. The 90's wasn't really any better despite what the bans did. Kids were still getting shot, catching strays, etc and mass shootings still happened. And we still saw it on the evening news, except it went from being shocking to "damn, that's fucked up... Another day in the hood".

Now we're here. Despite what you think, guns are not that easy to get. There's entire classes of people that can no longer buy, possess, or own a gun legally: Felons of ALL types, and people with any form of domestic violence on their record, even misdemeanors. People who have been involuntarily committed to a mental facility also are unable to buy, possess, or own a gun (at least according to the letter of the law, Germs was still able to cop his and so was the VA Tech shooter). That alone eliminates a fuckton of people in this country from LEGALLY getting a gun. Realistically, the only step from this point would be a total ban on weapons and making ammunition something only law enforcement can purchase... Which would never fly and wouldn't work even if enacted because that only accounts for legal gun owners, it would do nothing for illegal guns in circulation. While such a measure would decrease these shootings, it won't eliminate them because, naturally, ammo will still manage to make it's way to the streets like everything else seems to.

Aside from a total ban, what's YOUR solution?
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Little girl had her brain matter splattered across the pavement and niggas really in here simping for guns.

Nobody is “simping” for guns. That’s such an immature & oversimplification of the dialogue in this thread and ones like it.

Part of this conversation is realizing how complex the issue of guns possession & gun control in America is.

Part of that conversation is understanding that no matter whose brain matter is splattered on the ground, NOTHING is happening with regards to gun control today or tomorrow. Especially not in Texas. America is unique. Set your expectations accordingly and realistically.
 
Serious question: How old are you???

Did you live through the crack street wars of the 80's? And by that, I mean were you at least a teenager during that era?

All the shock and trauma of seeing kids "getting their whole fucking face shot off" came and went for a lot of us back then. Shit was on the evening news a lot. Some drug shit erupts into gunfire, mad innocent bystanders are shot and/or killed, children were killed as a result and mothers holding their babies in a pool of blood with a hole in their head or face shot off.

That was nearly 40 years ago; none of this shit is new. Those of us that lived through that era, that ducked when shots rang out and still instinctively do so anytime we hear anything remotely sounds like gunfire are probably numb to it at this point. If you weren't there, you wouldn't understand seeing this shit on the evening news damned near every night but it really was wild like that, more so for those of us living in NYC, Detroit, LA, and Miami at the time.

You're missing the bigger picture here: This level of violence ain't new in this country. And, yes, Congress passed strict gun control laws banning actual, factual fully automatic assault/combat weapons in response to not only the street-level drug wars, but also in response to mass shootings that happened back then. California passed a weapons ban in '89 as a direct result of one mass shooting, the ATF recommended banning the importation of any rifle that had no "sporting purpose" and G.H.W Bush sign off on in '89 making all AK47's and their variants and other guns near impossible to get.

Kids were still getting killed... A lot. The 90's wasn't really any better despite what the bans did. Kids were still getting shot, catching strays, etc and mass shootings still happened. And we still saw it on the evening news, except it went from being shocking to "damn, that's fucked up... Another day in the hood".

Now we're here. Despite what you think, guns are not that easy to get. There's entire classes of people that can no longer buy, possess, or own a gun legally: Felons of ALL types, and people with any form of domestic violence on their record, even misdemeanors. People who have been involuntarily committed to a mental facility also are unable to buy, possess, or own a gun (at least according to the letter of the law, Germs was still able to cop his and so was the VA Tech shooter). That alone eliminates a fuckton of people in this country from LEGALLY getting a gun. Realistically, the only step from this point would be a total ban on weapons and making ammunition something only law enforcement can purchase... Which would never fly and wouldn't work even if enacted because that only accounts for legal gun owners, it would do nothing for illegal guns in circulation. While such a measure would decrease these shootings, it won't eliminate them because, naturally, ammo will still manage to make it's way to the streets like everything else seems to.

Aside from a total ban, what's YOUR solution?
You got trauma you haven’t processed bruh. None of that shit you described should be accepted as normal. You really want everybody to experience 80’s Detroit. That ain’t the bar bruh.
 
You got trauma you haven’t processed bruh. None of that shit you described should be accepted as normal. You really want everybody to experience 80’s Detroit. That ain’t the bar bruh.

All of us that lived through that era as teenagers and young adults prolly do.

I'm not saying to accept it as normal, just that this shit BEEN happening. Kids BEEN gettin shot up in the streets. The real difference between then and now is that we were doing the shooting and it was our kids dying like that. The news was basically on some "look at how these savages behave"-type shit back then. Now? It's their kids dying and their sons are the ones doing the shooting, not us. Now it's a tragedy where before it was "fuck them niggers, but lets do a lil something and back it with lengthy prison sentences".

Y'all acting like this is brand new, I'm saying look at the past to see that it ain't.

Also... It wasn't just Detroit: LA and NYC were much worse in the 80's with Miami trailing behind, all due to the drug trade.
 
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