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Russia Declares War on Ukraine

ALLBUILDINGSMATTER! said:
There’s going to be a lot of this. These countries and the leaders will be dismissed. In reality the people who haven’t fallen for propaganda see this war as Russia fighting to keep NATO away. Lots of countries will be ok with that.

And Trump sent Maduro his replacement on a life boat in the middle of the night. He’s forever against US.
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You speak as if propaganda isn't a two way street. We've already, in the last couple years, experienced Russian willingness to flame racial tensions for the purpose of advancing an agenda so why would that not be the case here?
 
The whole, "keep NATO away," narrative is text-book circular reasoning.

1. Russia wishes to keep NATO away.
2. Russia invades neighboring countries.
3. Neighboring countries feel it necessary to align w/ NATO due to apparent acts of aggression in the region from Russia.
4. Russia wishes to keep NATO away.

Just look at Finland & Sweden currently. Their pursuit of NATO membership is a direct reaction to Russia invading Ukraine. If Russia 5 years down the line instigates conflict with those nations are we once again saying, "they're looking to keep NATO away?" You don't think Ukraine saw what the Russians did to Georgia? If Russia wanted to keep NATO away you'd think they wouldn't have annexed Crimea back in 2014 setting these events in motion.

They are seeking to prevent NATO expansion is a simpletons analysis of this conflict.
 
unSCENE said:
The whole, "keep NATO away," narrative is text-book circular reasoning.

1. Russia wishes to keep NATO away.
2. Russia invades neighboring countries.
3. Neighboring countries feel it necessary to align w/ NATO due to apparent acts of aggression in the region from Russia.
4. Russia wishes to keep NATO away.

Just look at Finland & Sweden currently. Their pursuit of NATO membership is a direct reaction to Russia invading Ukraine. If Russia 5 years down the line instigates conflict with those nations are we once again saying, "they're looking to keep NATO away?" You don't think Ukraine saw what the Russians did to Georgia? If Russia wanted to keep NATO away you'd think they wouldn't have annexed Crimea back in 2014 setting these events in motion.

They are seeking to prevent NATO expansion is a simpletons analysis of this conflict.
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I think it’s kinda like when the us bought Alaska.
it’s more about mainland .
Ukraine would be a speed bump
 
ALLBUILDINGSMATTER! said:
Its a 100% fact that Russia doesn’t want Ukraine to be apart of NATO. It’s a 100% fact Russia has been telling Ukraine for years they was gonna fuck them up if they didn’t get NATO off the border.

This isn’t propaganda this is reality. Documented over many years.
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#1 Ukraine is a sovereign nation not a Soviet state.
#2 If I say propaganda why would you assume I'm speaking about the facts within this matter?
#3 No matter how reasonable someone may think Russia's reasoning is it does not excuse this invasion. There were so many diplomatic routes that could have been taken. If the ultimate goal was to keep NATO at bay diplomatic means would have continued. There's nothing that could have come from this invasion other than pushing all of Eastern Europe closer to NATO. If Putin thought otherwise that would have been a massive massive miscalculation.

If you want to keep NATO away these are NOT The actions you take. Which is why the NATO excuse is bullshit. It's an easily understood front to misdirect the less informed.
 
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