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[ChicagoFigure]

California isn't as blue as people think. It's alot like NY in that people assume because the major city/cities are that everywhere else is. I agree with your point but it does need to be noted that Cali ain't a deep Blue state.

Unless I'm mistaken im moreso referring to the politicians that hold office they hold a vast majority of positions.

 

[BlackRain]

The fact that people are so focused and playing the blame game right now, which is not going to bring anybody's home back instead of being completely appalled that leaders in congress are not only dragging ass, but want place conditions on the actual aid to help people is telling.

The blame game keeps people from actually realizing who is at fault. Like it was just said theres alot of factors that go into something this big. And without the blame game they can't use people's anger to try and get themselves more power.

 

[Tayboo]

What congress is doing is a problem as well. That is my point, that's what ALL politicians do, red or blue. No different than when Dems demanded Green new Deal provision in the COVID relief bill.

But asking a governor to be accountable to what happens in his state is not blame game, its expecting accountability, which we absolutely should do each and every time.

So let say Newsom says "yeah I and my administration made mistakes", how is that going to help people at this moment??

 

[BlackRain]

Unless I'm mistaken im moreso referring to the politicians that hold office they hold a vast majority of positions.

Again I'm not saying Newsome doesn't deserve blame. But laying it all on his feet let's alot of other people skate too. And it'll just lead to Newsome being replaced by somebody who will let the same shit happen because the other culprits get off without anyone noticing

 

[BlackRain]

So let say Newsom says "yeah I and my administration made mistakes", how is that going to help people at this moment??

Exactly. There's no real way to "hold him accountable" now. That comes when it's time to vote him in or out again.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Yall forgetting not all of Cali is deep blue. A good portion of it is deep red.

If it was all a solid liberal state, the wealthy farm owners wouldnt of been getting away with the crazy amount of water wasting. Got a good number of officials that do what their wealthy donors pay them to do.

IDK why people were surprised a fire of this scale can happen with the current political climate. Yall forgot the Paradise fire a few years ago? A whole town burned down and dozens of people killed because a power company's execs/share holders, didnt wanna spend the money to keep their equipment up to date & trim the bushes around their towers. They constantly got fined (the max fine) which isnt a lot for obvious reasons, and they ignored it cuz its cheaper than actually fixing the problem.

After it was all said and done, no one went to jail, they just walked away. People can only try and sue the company that of course filed for bankruptcy.

Newsom Signs Key Agricultural Bills, Brings New Regulations for Central Valley Farmers - Valley Ag Voice

By Natalie Willis, Reporter, Valley Ag Voice Governor Gavin Newsom finalized decisions on key agricultural bills on Sept. 30, bringing a fresh wave of regulation to Central Valley farmers. Newsom signed 1,017 bills and vetoed 189. Of these bills, several with a direct impact on California...

www.valleyagvoice.com

While the Governor supported the bill to increase fines for diverting water, he vetoed a bill that would have increased surface and groundwater storage capacity.

SB 366 would have required DWR to coordinate with the SWB, California Water Commission, and other agencies to develop a plan that addresses the state’s water needs in the long term. It would have established specific targets to be met as well as a budget plan to appropriately reach those targets. In doing so, the bill sought to create nine million-acre-feet of additional water supply by 2040.

Newsom vetoed SB 366 on Sept. 25 due to the costs it would impose on state agencies.

Thus, while the Governor approved to increase the financial burden on farmers with AB 460, he determined that raising the costs for state agencies imposing that financial burden was not ideal.

However, in rare form, Newsom also vetoed AB 878 by Democratic Assemblymember Damon Connolly which would have exempted community water systems and managed wetlands from SGMA compliance.

He approves bills to fine farmers and vetoes bills to increase water supply/deregulate community water systems and wetlands.

40% of Cali land is agriculture. Ironically in the past few years farmers experiencing drought, thus contributing to less production, had the same complaint against newsom, not enough water.

Do some companies abuse resources and environment? Absolutely. But that's not what's driving the fires. And even if it was, there should've been better legislation than slaps on the wrist and more done to increase water supply. It still falls on the hands of leadership, who are not powerless.

 

[BlackRain]

What congress is doing is a problem as well. That is my point, that's what ALL politicians do, red or blue. No different than when Dems demanded Green new Deal provision in the COVID relief bill.

But asking a governor to be accountable to what happens in his state is not blame game, its expecting accountability, which we absolutely should do each and every time.

Yeah when you can continue to buy your way out of actually punishment for the things listed in that post...it's clear the rules need to be adjusted. But that would fuck up some people's pockets. I don't think it's an issue of really asking for accountability from the governor but also knowing it's not solely under his control either. And thats by design to both the benefit and detriment of the average citizen

 

[ChicagoFigure]

So let say Newsom says "yeah I and my administration made mistakes", how is that going to help people at this moment??

Lol that's not my point. It's not about what they say it's about what they do. Preventing incidences are just as important as how u respond to them. Your question implies that this just came out of nowhere and they could never fathom this happening.

 

[Tayboo]

Lol that's not my point. It's not about what they say it's about what they do. Preventing incidences are just as important as how u respond to them. Your question implies that this just came out of nowhere and they could never fathom this happening.

Okay so then what do you mean by holding them accountable? Hold a recall? Write a censure?? What do you want to see happen??

 

[ChicagoFigure]

The blame game keeps people from actually realizing who is at fault. Like it was just said theres alot of factors that go into something this big. And without the blame game they can't use people's anger to try and get themselves more power.

Again I'm not saying Newsome doesn't deserve blame. But laying it all on his feet let's alot of other people skate too. And it'll just lead to Newsome being replaced by somebody who will let the same shit happen because the other culprits get off without anyone noticing

Yeah when you can continue to buy your way out of actually punishment for the things listed in that post...it's clear the rules need to be adjusted. But that would fuck up some people's pockets. I don't think it's an issue of really asking for accountability from the governor but also knowing it's not solely under his control either. And thats by design to both the benefit and detriment of the average citizen

I think we are on the same page for the most part. I only disagree on the accountability part bc the less accountability u have up or down the chain, the less chances of anything actually being improved.

 

[mike030270]

Okay so then what do you mean by holding them accountable? Hold a recall? Write a censure?? What do you want to see happen??

Voting them out in the next election would be a good idea

 

[BlackRain]

I think we are on the same page for the most part. I only disagree on the accountability part bc the less accountability u have up or down the chain, the less chances of anything actually being improved.

I do think there should be more accountability. I just want it laid at the feet of the people who deserve it. Because Newsome being replaced does nothing if the same standards are in place.

Also it should be acknowledged as well that the media framing of this and misinformation also determines who gets blamed.

 

[Tayboo]

Voting them out in the next election would be a good idea

That doesn't really help anyone immediately and by the time election time comes folks all of sudden get amnesia.

 

[ThaManMythLegnd]

California isn't as blue as people think. It's alot like NY in that people assume because the major city/cities are that everywhere else is. I agree with your point but it does need to be noted that Cali ain't a deep Blue state.

Haha did you really say we're not a deep blue state? Cali is about as blue as it comes.

Not that it should matter. GOP states fuck up too, people have to stop thinking in terms of those two parties because neither cares about people.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Okay so then what do you mean by holding them accountable? Hold a recall? Write a censure?? What do you want to see happen??

In a perfect world getting to the bottom of any negligence or incompetence that led to this should be focused on heavily and any of those responsible to at least resign.

There are actual people who just lost their houses demanding the exact same thing so I don't think that's out of bounds.

 

[ThaManMythLegnd]

The fact that people are so focused and playing the blame game right now, which is not going to bring anybody's home back instead of being completely appalled that leaders in congress are not only dragging ass, but want to place conditions on the actual aid to help people is telling.

So we can be appalled at Congress, but not local officials? The time for blame IS now, 2-3 months from now all of this will be forgotten like Maui was.

We all can walk and chew gum at the same time.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Also I think "blame game" and accountability are being conflated here

The governor is literally accountable to his state. Hes likely only partially to blame, the only debate is to what extent since there are so many other factors.

I just think those ppl deserve complete transparency but we don't govern that way.

 

[Tayboo]

So we can be appalled at Congress, but not local officials? The time for blame IS now, 2-3 months from now all of this will be forgotten like Maui was.

We all can walk and chew gum at the same time.

So the same question you what does holding Newsom and Company accountable look like?? With congress there is still ability to put pressure on congress members to move their ass and do what they are suppose to do to release funds for aid.

 

[mike030270]

That doesn't really help anyone immediately and by the time election time comes folks all of sudden get amnesia.

Correct but it just keeps up the cycle

 

[ThaManMythLegnd]

So the same question you what does holding Newsom and Company accountable look like?? With congress there is still ability to put pressure on congress members to move their ass and do what they are suppose to do to release funds for aid.

We should definitely put pressure on Congress and the Feds if they aren't coming through, but people in Cali can only vote for their state and local representives. So with Bass, Newsom, and others the media isn't even covering, we have the power to press them directly here. With Congress it's up to the senators and congressmen we sent to Washington.

It's like with Katrina, you have fuck ups on every level, local/state/Fed