Disney+ Marvel's The Marvels
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Iceberg_Taylor
Kill em With A Smile!!
what are yall doin in here
God_Body
Check yourself, what percentage is you?
Idk exactly what it is but Marvel Studios is definitely pushing some kind of agenda. They continue to invest and produce a product that its core audience is not gravitating to. Through viewership (Ms. Marvel) and money (The Marvels pre ticket sales) your core audience has shown you they don’t give a fuck about these characters. Marvel Studios, why are making this shit? Know your demo.
I think the Captain Marvel box office success tricked them, that shit was released at such a peak, that Marvel Studios could’ve farted and it would’ve did a Billie plus the IW/EG tie in. Them days all far from over. And instead of trying naturally building up Captain Marvel to regain some of your core audience trust, they shoehorned her into movie with two other characters, that their CORE AUDIENCE doesn’t care about or asked for. Give your core audience what it wants, Spider-Man, X-men, F4, recast TChalla and the success will come back. It’s over for these “B” and “C” tier characters.
I think the Captain Marvel box office success tricked them, that shit was released at such a peak, that Marvel Studios could’ve farted and it would’ve did a Billie plus the IW/EG tie in. Them days all far from over. And instead of trying naturally building up Captain Marvel to regain some of your core audience trust, they shoehorned her into movie with two other characters, that their CORE AUDIENCE doesn’t care about or asked for. Give your core audience what it wants, Spider-Man, X-men, F4, recast TChalla and the success will come back. It’s over for these “B” and “C” tier characters.
Lol
Lol at a movie that's had a 5-6 year buildup and multiple shows and movies explaining the links being considered shoehorning characters. Also if the core audience only wanted those main characters then there never would've been Iron Man movies. The core audience isnt Marvel's issue. Its them keepinv the casual fans who only know Spiderman, F4 and XMen
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
People keep talking about core audience. Who is Marvel's core audience? They got movies that made a billion dollars. There's not single group responsible for that. Their success has been has come from the fact that they attracted more than just an easily defined core audience. They are were able to attract people of all types.
In this phase, they have specifically targeted certain audiences more than others with movies. Shan Chi was supposed to appeal to Asians. Ms. Marvel was supposed to appeal to Muslims. Sure, there's always the chances that when you market a movie with a focus towards a certain community, you will lose people outside of that community. That should be understood. That said, it shouldn't be a bad thing. I don't remember anyone on this site complaining when they heard that Black Panther would be a movie with a 99% black cast.
In this phase, they have specifically targeted certain audiences more than others with movies. Shan Chi was supposed to appeal to Asians. Ms. Marvel was supposed to appeal to Muslims. Sure, there's always the chances that when you market a movie with a focus towards a certain community, you will lose people outside of that community. That should be understood. That said, it shouldn't be a bad thing. I don't remember anyone on this site complaining when they heard that Black Panther would be a movie with a 99% black cast.
God_Body
Check yourself, what percentage is you?
Let’s take out specific demographics out of it. Why do think Dr. Strange 2 sold more than Antman 3?
Lol look at the 1st sentence. "Idk what the agenda is specifically but they're pushing an agenda!"
And everything he says the core audience wants is what HE wants lol. He made it obvious with the recast Tchalla shit
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
1) Dr. Strange and Wanda are more popular characters than Antman.
2) MoM came out closer to Endgame, so it was higher up on this downward spiral that the MCU has taken.
3) MoM was a better movie than Antman 3.
4) The Antman franchise has never been one of the big money makers.
5) Sam Raimi has a cult following and his fans were pretty amped to see MoM.
6) WandaVision did pretty well on D+, so more than a few people were probably interested in seeing a movie featuring her heavily.
There are a probably other reasons, but those are the ones that immediately come to mind.
The whole "why are they making this" is just dumb. The 1st movie made a billion+ at the box office and people are really dumb enough to ask why a 2nd movie was made. It's not hard to see
If a movie makes as much as Captain marvel did then it's getting a sequel because the numbers showed people like it. What you expect Marvel to do? Shoot the entire movie then cancel it because the presales aren't up to your standard when few movies, including Marvel films, post covid have done huge numbers like they did precovid? Your information is like watching a game after it's played and claiming you predicted the winner.
God_Body
Check yourself, what percentage is you?
lol, it’s not about why the second movie is made. The why is, why they put them other two in, when the casual movie goer doesn’t know who they are and the core audience doesn’t give a fuck about them.
Well that's what the whole buildup with the previous movies and tv shows were for. To make people care. Now it can be heavily debated on whether Marvel accomplished that goal but to pretend as if somebody just woke up and threw a movie together without years of story buildup and character development is just a lie.
And you're still confusing core vs casual audience. The core audience knows the characters. The casual audiance doesn't. You think the casual Marvel fan even knows about most these characters? People ain't out here doing deep dives on Sam Wilson, Antman or Hawkeye? There's a reason the MCU has influenced the comics lately and not vice versa. Because a good number of Marvel fans now identify with those versions of the characters and not the comic versions like the core fan base does
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
If the casual movie goer is just the typical person who likes going to the movies regularly and will give anything that looks interesting a try, then they don't need to know who Monica and Kamala are just like they didn't need to know who Tony Stark was.
If the core audience is people who make a point of regularly supporting and watching MCU content then they know exactly who Monica and Kamala are because they saw them in WandaVision and Ms. Marvel respectively.
See, I think you believe that the core audience are the white comic book nerds that want everything to reflect the source material they are used to. Those people be the ones that go see a MCU 5 times if they like it, but I wouldn't say they are the core audience. My wife has seen every MCU movie and gets more excited about some of them than I do, and she's never read a comic book in her life.
God_Body
Check yourself, what percentage is you?
The core audience knows those characters but doesn’t care about them characters. The pre ticket sales show that.
And the core audience dictates the casual audience. Your example proves it, your part of the core audience, you think your wife saw her first MCU movie off the strength of you or the commercial? When you see a family of 5 at a MCU movie at the theater, at least 1 one of them is part of the core audience. And that 1 person brought 4 casuals with them.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
Sure, a comic fan might have introduced a casual viewer to the MCU, but I'm not what keeps my wife going to see them. She's seen a couple without me. She is a core fan not a casual viewer, but you don't see that because you're blinded by your belief that the core audience consists solely of comic book readers. That's never really been true. In fact, some of the biggest critics of the MCU have always been comic book readers because they are the ones that don't like how much the MCU differs from the source material.
And no, I don't believe low pre ticket sales are specifically because MCU fans don't care about the characters.
1) Presales have gotten progressively worse this Phase. All that really means is that people are not as quick to go see MCU movies off the strength of them being MCU movies now.
2) Marvel hasn't really done a good job of promoting the movies. People are only now expressing satisfaction with the trailers.
3) There's been a lot of doom and gloom surrounding the MCU in recent times. That Variety article is the latest example. Of course that type of thing influences viewer excitement going into a movie release.
4) Carol, Monica, and Kamala aren't Tony, Steve, and Thor. That doesn't mean the audience doesn't care about them. It just means they don't care about them as much as the characters that came before them.
