i feel like we're talking past each other right now, so i'll try this one more time
the previous films were NOT Marvel films. They were Sony films with licensing of Marvel characters
and NO, they shouldn't be considered MCU as they predate the MCU as we know of it today.
Nolan's Batman films, Tim Burton's films etc...should NOT be considered DCEU either
The biggest difference is those films all were produced, financed, etc, by WB who owns DC comics. Movies pre MCU were done by other studios that paid for licensing
But to your point, if Devil in a blue dress was wack as a movie, who gets the blame? The movie studio or Walter Mosley?
you said a whole lot...
the point i'm making is non-MCU movies that are using Marvel characters are still Marvel movies, they have marvel logo at the beginning with the little pages flipping, they have marvel movies in te end credits..
just because it's outside the MCU which is just a joint cinematic universe, does not mean it's not a marvel movie..
if it uses marvel characters...it's a marvel movie....point blank period..
dare devil, elektra, howard the frigging duck,, all marvel movies.....
spiderman 1-3 fantastic 4, venom, xmen, logan, all marvel movies....
they may not be MCU, but blade is still a marvel movie....
if it uses marvel characters and has a marvel logo, it's a marvel movie...
just because a particular director, or stuido, didn't make a great movie does make te shit cease to be marvel.... it's just not connected to the cinematic universe...
but at the end of the day, it' still all marvel