Im An Idiot
- Thread starter RusselWilsonJr
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I started that Celtic one but nodded off and forgot where tf I left off at when I woke up. Couldn't find my place so I just said fuck it and never tried to listen to it again.
Lou Cypher
The Tokin' White Guy
Essentially they are the top person in a television production. They're the boss. Both of creativity and management. Oftentimes they are the head writer, also the character creator and script editor.
In film, the director is the leader/boss.
In television, the showrunner leads over the director of each episode.
RusselWilsonJr
Who do you think you are? I am
Why is it that when I leave up north as a place like PA to go down south, the closer to South Carolina. The more my insides feel like a load of pressure shifting them around and my son gets headaches?
Big Lurko
Im not here to read more than 2 lines..
Because on the way down, you stopped to eat gas station tacos
Lou Cypher
The Tokin' White Guy
What happened in Benghazi and why do Republicans hate Hillary and Obama for it?
SKPJR
Active Member
The nukes were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki but make no mistake the REAL target was the Soviet Union. The war in Japan was over. It was all done except the final surrender. People seem to forget that with all the damage the two nukes caused Curtis Lemay caused much more damage and killed way more people with his conventional incendiary bombing of Japan, Tokyo in particular, than with the nukes.
The Soviet Union agreed to enter the Pacific war against Japan after the Nazi's were defeated. By the time they did the hardest part of the war was over. We dropped the first nuke on August 6th, 1945 and the Soviets invaded Japanese controlled Manchuria on August 9th. As bad as Hiroshima was bad the Japanese we're still trying to hold out. They were trying to negotiate peace with the US through the Soviet Union. They thought they could fight a little longer and get better terms and they were negotiating those terms through Moscow. The key to the Japanese trying to stay in the war and trying to get better terms was their control of Manchuria. But two days after Hiroshima the Soviets invaded Manchuria and thats when the Japanese knew it was over. Not only were they going to lose Manchuria but they had no negotiating partners left. A few days after the Soviet invasion of Manchuria we dropped the second bomb on Nagasaki then the war ended.
The US wanted to end the war with Japan quickly and we wanted to end it even faster after the Soviets got in it. We didn't want the Soviets occupying and holding any Japanese land. We all know what happened in Europe when Germany was occupied and split in half between the US/USSR. As bad as East and West Germany was having a north/south Japan would have made the cold war that much worse. As bad as North/South Korea is now just imagine if there had been a North/South Japan for the past 75 years. Now think about the Chinese communist revolution, the Korean war and the Vietnam war all happening with the Soviets controlling half of Japan and having an even larger and more much powerful presence in the Pacific.
Both east and west saw the coming of the post war cold war and both sides were trying to position themselves for it. That's why the the Soviet Union was the main target of the bombings. Truman wanted the Soviets to see what his new weapons and he wanted to stop the Soviet advance in Manchuria before they got to Japan and staked a claim to Japanese land. That's who the nukes were really for. The Japanese paid the price but the real target was the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union agreed to enter the Pacific war against Japan after the Nazi's were defeated. By the time they did the hardest part of the war was over. We dropped the first nuke on August 6th, 1945 and the Soviets invaded Japanese controlled Manchuria on August 9th. As bad as Hiroshima was bad the Japanese we're still trying to hold out. They were trying to negotiate peace with the US through the Soviet Union. They thought they could fight a little longer and get better terms and they were negotiating those terms through Moscow. The key to the Japanese trying to stay in the war and trying to get better terms was their control of Manchuria. But two days after Hiroshima the Soviets invaded Manchuria and thats when the Japanese knew it was over. Not only were they going to lose Manchuria but they had no negotiating partners left. A few days after the Soviet invasion of Manchuria we dropped the second bomb on Nagasaki then the war ended.
The US wanted to end the war with Japan quickly and we wanted to end it even faster after the Soviets got in it. We didn't want the Soviets occupying and holding any Japanese land. We all know what happened in Europe when Germany was occupied and split in half between the US/USSR. As bad as East and West Germany was having a north/south Japan would have made the cold war that much worse. As bad as North/South Korea is now just imagine if there had been a North/South Japan for the past 75 years. Now think about the Chinese communist revolution, the Korean war and the Vietnam war all happening with the Soviets controlling half of Japan and having an even larger and more much powerful presence in the Pacific.
Both east and west saw the coming of the post war cold war and both sides were trying to position themselves for it. That's why the the Soviet Union was the main target of the bombings. Truman wanted the Soviets to see what his new weapons and he wanted to stop the Soviet advance in Manchuria before they got to Japan and staked a claim to Japanese land. That's who the nukes were really for. The Japanese paid the price but the real target was the Soviet Union.
mryounggun
OG
The reason I can't go as far as to say that the USSR was the REAL target...because we still would have dropped the bombs on Japan even if the USSR was a factor. I can't argue with the accuracy of most of the facts here, though.
mryounggun
OG
Man let me find out here's a history thread somewhere on this bitch.
Doc Holloway
Active Member
My brother lives in Raleigh NC. The times I've been down there were from summer to fall and I would always get sinus headaches to where it would seem like my body is adjusting to the climate because the headaches would last for a few days at times.
RusselWilsonJr
Who do you think you are? I am
I thought the same thing myself, but I didnt know if that was a thing
Mooney
Moon for Short
Why give google the data. Let the data flow through here. More content more views builds the site.
SKPJR
Active Member
In the long term strategic post war view the Soviets were definitely the main target. Japan had already lost WW2 by the time of the Trinity test. It was only a question of when they would surrender and how many people would die forcing that surrender. The planned invasion of Japan would have been bloody, prolonged and cost more American and Japanese lives than we could imagine. With that said the invasion would have ultimately been successful. Everyone including the Japanese knew that. Their entire strategy was built around causing massive American deaths over an extended period of time and forcing better terms for their ultimate defeat. They knew they could never win they just wanted to lose slowly, kill a lot of Americans and prevent the emperor from being hanged. Even that strategy went out the window when the Soviets invaded Manchuria.
The Japanese plan for a slow, bloody defeat was known by everyone. Truman knew they just wanted to kill Americans and drag it out but he also knew that the US would ultimately prevail. The nukes did two things. They helped shorten the war by preventing the slow motion bloodbath invasion of the Japanese home islands and it put the Soviet Union on notice for the upcoming cold war that was on the horizon. FDR, Stalin and Churchill had already planned for the defeat of the Axis powers at Yalta. They had moved beyond trying to win the war to trying to manage the post war peace.
The Soviets had a massive army that FDR and eventually Truman knew could overrun western Europe if they choose to. This was true throughout the cold war. The only way to halt the massive and unstoppable Red Army was with nukes. That was also true throughout the cold war. So Truman made the decision to drop the bombs to A) avoid invading Japan and B) to put the Soviets on notice as to what he would do if the Red Army ever threatened western Europe.
You also have to keep in mind that in 1945 the US was the only nuclear power on the globe. Being the only nation on Earth with nuclear weapons, showing what those weapons could do and letting the globe know that you wouldn't hesitate to use them was a very powerful deterrent going into the cold war. All of that was considered when Truman gave the order to drop the bomb.
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