Stiff
Legion of Trill
My boy! Been out here tryna figure life out. Got married and started a family along the way. Came back because I missed some of y’all crazy asses lmao. How you been? You still on the beats?
Dr Umar lists his top 5 coons of all time
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ThaManMythLegnd
Active Member
Whoopi has to be #5
Stiff
Legion of Trill
The poverty rate amongst Black people was higher in the 1950s than today and yet the homicide rate and overall violent crime rate amongst Black communities was lower.
And then, you have almost 3 out of 4 Black children being born out of wedlock today as opposed to about 1 out of 4 in 1965 when the poverty rate was higher.
The single biggest predictor of crime rate in a community is the number of woman-led households, regardless of race.
A man raised in a single parent household is more likely to be convicted of a violent crime in his lifetime and less likely to graduate high school and this is across the board racially.
This is a clear cultural/value shift that can’t be readily assigned to poverty or racism because the Black nuclear family had better structure when there was MORE poverty and actual legalized racism in addition to de facto racism. It’s a value shift that has undeniable ramifications for the children who have to start from that position.
These are “conservative talking points” that I haven’t heard a good rebuttal to.
Debra Cox and Lettuce
Bitch mob
Bro that's amazing to hear! And for sure ! I'll tag you when I start releasing ton of projects that's starts the end of this month. ALWAYS valued your feedback Brodie. Welcome back bruh and wishing you and your family an prosperous one.
Marc123
You got it dude!
This guy has to be climbing up the list.
Coleman Hughes. Sowell was never nearly as much of a coon as this dude is right now.
Noooo man.
He iight tbh. He be on bill maher alot. i dont think he a coon. Jus gotta hear him out
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
lol The drug epidemic didn't exist back then. That's been the driver of most of the violent crime in Black communities. We have evidence that the War on Drugs was started primarily to hurt black people (someone from Nixon's administration admitted it outright) and the Regan administration funneled money into the drug trade knowing that the drugs were being funneled into the black community (see Gary Webb's story).
This is a valid point against the culture.
We can agree that single parent households are to blame for woes in the community, but again you're ignoring context. People like Sowell will point out that reliance on welfare is what led to single parent households. What he fails to acknowledge is that 1) the poverty rate that resulted from Jim Crow and other racist actions is the reason that black people were so dependent on welfare and 2) the welfare reforms that led to things like black men basically being kicked out of black households was largely driven by conservatives that wanted to reduce the welfare program.
The Racist Roots of Welfare Reform
American welfare policy historically targeted poor black families.
newrepublic.com
So again, does the culture play a role? Maybe, but whatever role it plays comes after we were already put in a hole. So where are you going to place the lion's share of the blame? On the think that put black people in the hole or the thing that has risen as a result of black people being in the hole.
Stiff
Legion of Trill
The War on Drugs as a means to stifle Black growth is real—but violent crime started to spike in inner cities in the mid 60s, prior to Nixon taking office. Even before that, there has been a racial gap in terms of homicide victimization and homicide arrests going back as far as the early 1900s. Even during the nadir of race relations, a Black man was more likely to be murdered by another Black man than by a white man or mob. This is corroborated by lynching data compiled by Tuskegee University through the 1960s. And while it is true for all racial groups that most crime is intraracial, a Black man has always been the most likely to be murdered and this murder has always been most likely to be at the hands of another Black man, even prior to the War on Drugs.
To me that adds another case against culture. Sowell argues that at one point 90% of Black people in America were enslaved in the South. As a result, we adopted a culture from rednecks that was more accepting of violence as a means of handling interpersonal disputes. Drugs added fuel to that fire that was already there.
A personal or series of personal decisions leads to the creation of single parent households in most instances—before any governmental policy comes into place. If you have a culture that values nuclear family and adequately stigmatizes having children out of wedlock, then you’ll have less instances of it regardless of policy. Black America did at one point have somewhat of such a culture but it deteriorated sometime in the 60’s with the rise of the Black baby boomer generation.
If you are married with children, welfare raids aren’t a factor because you’re probably not eligible for welfare anyway.
The only problem I have with this is, at what point can Black people turn the page?
Does the Black community have no hope of fixing what’s wrong with our neighborhoods without help from outside our communities? What happens if that help never comes?
Reparations may help. We should get reparations. But why WOULD we? What’s in it for them? What are the consequences for America at large if White America just flatly says “No”? If we’re being honest there are none. We’ll keep rushing to give them our discretionary income and the velocity of the Black dollar will remain the lowest of any community and the world will keep turning.
Stiff
Legion of Trill
I appreciate that bro! Please do keep me tapped in when you drop.
Stiff
Legion of Trill
I thought this too but his stance on Israel/Palestine rubbed me the wrong way. I wouldn’t call him a coon either tho.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
All groups are subject to more intraracial violence than interracial violence. That's not unique to Black people. It's a function of access. This country is still pretty segregated. And again, black people have always been disproportionately impoverished in this country. Black people having more issues with violent crime even before the War on Drugs shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Crime and Violence are more closely correlated with socio-economic status than they are with race, so of course violence has always been more common in black communities even before the War on Drugs. The War on Drugs simple exacerbated the situation.
Again, that's just ignoring the socio-economic side of things. Guess what? A lot of rednecks in the south are poor too, so why bend over backwards to connect that violence to some kind of weird crossover culture instead of to lack of resources and opportunities which have been shown to lead to violence throughout the entirety of recorded history and across all cultures. It doesn't matter where you go in the world, if you go to the poor part of that place, you will undoubtedly find more violent crime than in the rich part of that place.
Again, I'm not discounting the idea that personal responsibility and culture have an impact on the status of black america. I'm simply pointing out that racism and poverty have hounded black people for our entire existence in this country and those things have put us into a position where we were vulnerable to making poor choices and led to the rise of a culture that revolves around the negative aspects of life that black people are disproportionately exposed to. Also, we haven't even acknowledged the fact that it's not even black people that push the culture to the degree it's pushed. People love bringing up rap, but ignore the fact that rap isn't as big as it is solely because black people like it.
Black people can fix our problems, but the responsibility for that can't be pushed solely onto us. We aren't the ones that put us in the hole. We shouldn't be expected to somehow climb out of it by ourselves. It's not asking to much to look to the country to take responsibility for what it's done to black people over the years and put effort into making amends. Reparations is necessary. It doesn't have to be money. In fact, I think money would be the cheap and less effective way of doing it. I think reparations should come in the form of a series of policies meant specifically to help black people and black communities.
a.mann
Active Member
Perhaps
And I feel no black person should have to sacrifice their self-respect and dignity
But it’s a different level when you are cooning and tap dancing knowing that certain laws, policies and legislation will be harmful & have a detrimental impact on your community
Black conservatives/Republicans not only coon they actively hate their own people.
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Old Man Cain
OG
Brandon Tatum is the Omega Level coon of all coons
Stiff
Legion of Trill
If it was that straightforward then why do Native Americans who have higher poverty rates and a similar median income to Black people but have a fraction of the violent crime rate?
Or how do you account for the fact that Black people in America have a higher homicide rate than many countries with lower standards of living/higher rates of poverty? Take Puerto Rico, higher poverty rates than Black America, lower murder rate. On a global level there’s not a 1:1 correlation between poverty rate and violent crime rate when you compare nations.
The fact is, not all people respond to poverty the same way and not all groups of people respond to poverty the same way.
I agree with every word here tho. Especially the point that white owned media and record companies don’t get nearly the smoke they deserve for promoting and spreading Black degeneracy.
We have no leverage for reparations. Hispanics are on track to be the majority here by 2050. If another 250 years goes by with no reparations, (which in all likelihood will be the case), can Black America improve its station without significant outside support?
Gray Matter
Active Member
Dude argued that George Floyd wasn't killed by the cops, and that the cops were railroaded.
Makes black people "the real racists" while minimizing white racism.
I have read his book.
Dude definitely has some issues.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
lol Why are you comparing everything to Black people as if we're some kind of standard? Native Americans have a much higher violent crime rate than the national average. Puerto Rico has a higher violent crime rate than the U.S. national average. If you don't believe poverty correlates to violent crime, please give examples of countries where the crime rate among poor people isn't higher than the national average of that country.
You want to compare other groups directly to Black Americans as if they've experienced the same challenges as we have. That's not really the case, so it's not reasonable to expect them to match up with us exactly.
You could be right, but that doesn't mean it's not worth fighting for unless a better idea comes up for how we might reverse our fortunes.
toheeb27
OG
This guy has to be climbing up the list.
Coleman Hughes. Sowell was never nearly as much of a coon as this dude is right now.
Not sure about him yet. I see the grift, but not yet sure how dangerous it is.
Gray Matter
Active Member
I saw that when it came out.
Keep in mind that I used to give him the benefit of the doubt. It was his book that clinched it for me. Dude sees himself as on Team White.
Marc123
You got it dude!
Whoa. WTF....
I only kno bout dude from couple appearances on bill maher n cnn. He appeared level headed imo and said sum true things alotta blk dont like to hear n he made sum valid points.
But putting it in a rap video? Nah bruh. pass. I made it till the 2:25 mark. fohwtbs.
Dude lookin like he got some issues
Stiff
Legion of Trill
I’m comparing everybody to Black people because Black people are the subject of this particular discussion lol.
There is definitely a link between poverty and violent crime, but my point is the link isn’t as strong as you suggest. That’s why bringing up the violent crime rate of another historically oppressed group with a similar income rate is relevant. Not to say that Native Americans went through the same thing as us—I’m pointing to the similar economic standings but not so similar violent crime rates.
Further, if it was a straightforward connection, the relationship between the historical poverty rate and the historical crime rate of Black people would be correlated, but it’s not. There’s more to it. It boils down to individual choices which are made in a context.
You can (and should) add the context of the history of economic marginalization, racial oppression, and systemic distrust that molded this culture. And I’m right there with you when you factor in the fact that drug markets in Black communities were artificially saturated by the Government at a time when means of “legitimate“ business were limited due to systemic racism, creating clear economic incentives to delve in the criminal underworld that didn’t exist in other communities. I’m knowing!
But at the end of the day, most Black people aren’t in “the streets” and you know that. It’s just the fact that “context” drove enough of us to “the streets” to the point where the most dangerous part of most major American cities is one that is majority Black. There has to be some ownership that we take for that. If not, then it’s like saying we have no more agency for our own outcome today than our ancestors did during slavery.