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Did Bryson Tiller's "Trap Soul" start the decline of real RnB?

A lot played a part in the decline for me, I wouldn't blame it solely on the album "Trap-soul"

The lack of real "singers". I remember when singing in a Baptist church or church period was part of a singer's background, now you are pulling singers out of strip clubs, bottle service women wanna become Whitney Houston, chicks who really can't sing. Same thing can be said about the male singers, these dudes can't hold their own with Nokio from Dru Hill, the ad-lib, lip singing nigga in the group​
It's a lot that has played a demise in R&B: The structure of songs/albums, there are no more background vocals on majority of these songs that are out now, (well the ones I hear), no background singers on lead singles, I could remember when you had background singers/vocals (whether male of female or the singer would do it themselves like Babyface and Chuckii Booker, Gerald Levert, MJ) laid on a song(s) and the singer themselves would ad-lib over those parts and go in on that particular part of the song or chorus. Now it's just the singer singing in a monotone key. Lack of emotions throughout albums and the narrative of albums. I remember when R&B acts would have you in the mirror singing with a brush or the remote controller to their songs, dayum near thought you was the nigga on the record, not the case no more. I see chicks singing to Summer Walker and Ella Mai shit, shit be a slow painful watch, it's almost as if they are dying a slow death in the moment smh.​
Most of the new artists are not singing about any strong love connection. Most are singing about pain, fucking over someone, or being in a superior position than their mate. That's not love, when they do sing about loving someone or being in love, it's almost coming from a selfish stance.​
Anita Baker, that woman, sings her soul out on her songs "Giving you the best that I got", I feel like she will jump in front of a bullet for her man if it was to came down to it, when I listen to her music at times, I feel that connection, I think her old ass be singing to me, I be lowkey cheating on my lady when I listen to her, she don't know it, Anita got a song called "Talk to Me" and in the song she's pleading for her man to talk to her about his problems, she's asking him what's wrong with him. She told the nigga to open up his heart. Got dayum, if it doesn't get no better for a man to have his woman to be that concern and that invested, this is how R&B use to be, Women actually giving a shit about how a man feel and his feelings. Men use to do the same thing in songs addressing women needs. That dayum woman, Anita, said in the same song, "she likes to listen" man look. She's not the only R&B act that's dedicated her voice to the appreciation of a man, Mary, Anglea Winbush, Whitney got a song called "You Give Good Love".. I dare a nigga's ole lady play that shit to him or catch her listening to that shit, I bet you Pelican tickets you'll get on your knees and marry that bitch in a NY second.​
Aint no R&B chick in 2020 singing, humming on that type of stance. These chicks trying to have you eat their farts and shit, FOH with that slime shit.​
This love, caring, dedication connection is lost in these songs, and that's not the narrative that is promoted.​
The audience is another key factor, The R&B acts that were teens-20s, were singing about love, caring, and dedication, your Immatures, SWV, 702, Mint Condition, Hi-Five, Monica, Brandy, Ginuwine, Dru Hill, Jodeci, Janet Jacksons etc, That narrative from that group in that age range was promoted on the airwaves and in "black households". Their writers wrote songs/albums to push that narrative to their fanbase. The R&B acts that were a bit older, catered towards the 30 and up crowd, their songs were still in rotation, such as LSG, Michael Jackson, Whitney, Gerald Levert, Johnny Gill, Toni Braxton, Angela Winbush, Freddie Jackson, Luther, Stephanie Mills etc, these, R&B acts, even though older, were still singing about love, caring and dedication and their music catered to their older fanbase who still checked for their albums. The narrative said the same thing, which was appreciation for their mate, which is the foundation of R&B.​
Those who sing about pain, those R&B acts, such as Mary J, I can't think of the male Mary J but their songs about their pain that they would experience, but they would always come back around to loving and caring and the dedication that they had for wanting and having a relationship with their mate.​
Rarely you heard the "fuck a nigga, eat my pussy, bitches aint shit, I don't need a bitch, eat my farts," narrative that's being pushed. After listening to albums in the past, you walked away with a sense of wanting to be in a relationship or find love. Shid these albums make a person stay single and be on some sleep around shit.​
The R&B acts that are catering to the teens and folks in their 20s are not on the whole loving, caring, dedication, more so on that I don't need anybody, it's either may way or no way, or I'll have the next person lined up narrative​
I be curious to know those who are married or in a relationship listen to when they are in chill mode with their mate. All these R&B acts that are out now aint pushing folks to stay together or appreciate their mate. Shid you fuck around and listen to one of these new R&B acts and by track 8 on their album, you and your ole lady will be dayum near on the brinks of a break-up or fussing about something.​

If I'm not mistaken, I don't think throwback R&B artists cuss in their music. And especially wasn't as direct in their sexual content as "R&B" artists of today.
 
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I'd say Drake started the real decline of RnB.

Not because his music ain't dope , cuz I fuck with most of his music, but because Drake has been the biggest artist in the world for the past 10 years and most artists and labels have been trying to replicate his sound. Drake's style of RnB isnt real RnB. Its dope, but we do t need 100 fake drake's and that's what we got.


Tory lanez "say it" sounds like drake. Trap soul sounds like drake. It's just a bunch of drake clones. Even the women sound like drake.


You dont need a real voice to pull off the drake sound and now we're stuck with mad drake clones with mediocre/ trash voices.

This shit just popped up on my playlist and made me think about this thread. This shit sounds exactly like Drake. And eventhough I fuck with the track, we don't need another Drake. Atleast 80% of RnB (male and female) sounds like Drake.


 
Living in the cittttttyyy

Them Levert Boys,

Dude was on that song with Heavy D, Just cooling.. Pop Pop Pop goes my mind,Master P flipped the song and made Moby Dick sing Pop Pop Pop goes my nine Lol smh

Man Gerald Levert was that dude, the public never gave dude his credit

Forgot all about that one. That was good song back in the day!
 
I couldn't think of a better title to express my thoughts. Maybe "what happened to the RnB love ballad"

I got on the Tiller train probably right after it started to pull into the station. I had heard "Sorry no sorry" but wasnt trying to check for the whole project, then i heard "Don't", and was like ok..let me check dude out.

I guess my overall question or rather observation is, it seems like every "rnb" album after that from people in his generation has spawned nothing but clones trying to do trap soul.

I know rapping on rnb type of tracks isnt uncommon and had been done before, but certainly not to the degree it has happened since his album dropped.

Maybe Tiller is being my scapegoat b/c i know artists like Chris Brown and Trey have done similar music, but even those dudes appeared to have a sound before Tiller, then switched it up after Tiller.

Then you got artists like Sza, Doja Cat, August Alsina, Jacquees, I'm currently listening to Tink's latest project...but the list goes on of both males and females, those are just the first ones that popped in my head of artists who have these trap type beats, they are rapping/singing their lyrics, the lyrics are super raunchy and in many times, just feels like they just wanna talk about fucking every single track.

What happened to the RnB love ballad?

also, im too lazy to look at who came before who...im just trying to have something to talk about so if August came out before Tiller, cool...that aint the point of the thread
I'm so sad that I missed this thread but seeing Sza and Jhene Aiko take this trap soul route broke my heart because that was the most exposure and success they received.

Here is how Sza and Jhene used to sing. Very unique sounds and writing styles.




 
R&B has decline.

You wanna know a few folks but it’s still a decline. The past had more and dudes not even singing really
 
Most of the RnB music I listen to is from overseas these days. UK got a nice thing going on, especially.
 
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