DOS_patos
Unverified Legion of Trill member
fuck you up
#BlameBlackMen
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Disanthrope
Inconvenient Truth + Necessary Evil
Lol nah b.. that's what that line meant
DOS_patos
Unverified Legion of Trill member
i know what it meant.....but people not suppose to use it here without history.
I'd say sacrificing his career is a stretch. Mans got paid basically to chill out for a year and now is back with his own new show and gig and he's still very much in demand. It may have fucked up espn for him but not his entire career. And Jemele has expressed guilt for what it did to him at espn multiple times since she left.
I think Jemele has gotten too caught up in the social media world of being overly performative and not being aware of how that can cause blowback. It kinda pidgeon holed her in a way that now people read anything she says as a comment on everything Black related. She did it to herself...
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
lol I guess, but the chick basically got up one morning and decided to just make a "Black men ain't shit" post.
Have you ever had a random urge to bad mouth black women on your social media?
He has been saying the same stuff and openly stood by her when the shit hit the fan at espn. The reason he stopped doing sports center is because he refused to do it without her so it wouldn't look like he was selling her out. Hes spoken on this. He was on bomani Jones podcast just last month promoting his new show and they were talking about more race related stuff than him and Jemele ever touched on in just that 1 hr episode.
When they left Sportscenter Jemele left espn entirely shortly after and outside of a couple appearances on Bomani and Pablo Torre's show Michael Smith just got paid to chill at home. He stopped being as active on social media but it was cuz of espn. Man said he simply took time he didnt have the past decade to be with his wife and kids more.
I know it's easy to paint Jemele as the big bad in this situation but if you listen to Michael smith talk about what led to their Sportscenter failing he said they had a bad feeling it wouldn't work from before the show even aired due to behind the scenes restraints they were given due to their show no longer being His and Hers and now being Sportscenter
Nope but social media has also shown me that plenty of niggas do this on a daily. It's a pointless back and forth between black men and women. No one side is more to blame. Both are at fault. Though I will say the ease and frequency that some Black men have with threatening rape and violence towards Black women is sad as fuck.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
Can't say I've ever seen that, but then again I'm not on social media. I really only see tweets from famous people that go viral.
It happens far more than you would think.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
I believe you. I largely believe people in general ain't shit.
JohnSmithCAN
Active Member
Oh wow.
DOS_patos
Unverified Legion of Trill member
It is but niggas response is often "Just log off". I made a thread about it on the IC once with people reading rape and death threats to women and some niggas legit response was "It ain't that serious"
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
That sounds harsh, but I'm not really sure what the response on a forum should be. Most of the time, it ain't that serious. I'm not even saying that to callous. I mean that a lot of people just talk shit online, so 99% of those threats are empty. How many times have we seen niggas on the IC or here talk like they were going to fight, and it go nowhere?
I don't think women should take anything too lightly though because that 1% is out there, but aside from reporting the bad actors to facebook, twitter, youtube, etc... I'm not sure what else they can do. Social media emboldens a lot of people to be assholes.
How about offering basic human empathy and saying it's fucked up. Or not putting the onus on the women on the receiving end of those threats and comments to log off and instead trying to create an environment where a dude's doesnt feel some comfortable that his go to response to a woman he disagrees with isnt to threaten to rape or otherwise physically harm her?
Regardless if those threats are empty or not you realize how wild it is to suggest that in order to avoid rape threats women should just not participate in social media and should log off instead? That places not 1 iota of culpability on the people actually making the threats.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
Wait, I'm lost. You said that you made a thread on the IC about harassment that happened on other platforms right? Meaning the conversation was likely held between a bunch of dudes and the victim was nowhere involved right? If that's true, I don't get your little rant. You can't offer basic human empathy when the person you're supposed to empathize with isn't there. And a conversation on the IC has no impact whatsoever on how safe someone feels to make crazy comments on a completely different platform. I'm sure there were comments like "Just log off" or "It ain't that serious" but it's unfair for you to act like those comments were made to the victim if it was a completely separate discussion.
Now if I got it wrong, and you're talking about a conversation you had on the IC about bad behavior that actually happened on the IC, then I get what you're saying and I agree with you.
Both actually would be true. As has happened on here when people bring up how far comments can go there was always those whose instant response was to log off or just ignore them as opposed to telling the people making the comments to stop.
And yes there was a specific thread made on the IC where women sat and had guys read some of the rape and death threats they received and there were some.who instead of simply saying it's wrong instead went the "why are they trying to manipulate my emotions? Just log off" route as well. And yes you can offer basic human empathy without the person being there. If you hear about someone whose been harmed or suffered a tragedy do they need to physically be in front of you in order to say "Damn that's fucked up..hope they're ok."? If not then you can do it people just choose not to for whatever reason that may be.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
Ok I get what you're saying. Yeah, that's pretty fucked up if chicks were literally reading off threats they received and dudes were callous like that.
As for the empathy part, what you're talking about is an empty gesture. Sure, a person could give the expression you suggested, and that's perfectly fine. However, if it's a conversation between parties who are all isolated from the event in question, doing that isn't any more right than making a suggestion about how the problem can be solved. Like when we see a thread with a video of someone falling or getting hit or something. You could argue that people should hope for that person to be ok too, and some do, but no one is demonized for not doing that because we all understand that those hopes and well wishes will go unnoticed.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
One thing that I've noticed about activists or people taking up causes nowadays is that they don't seem to understand that sometimes the people that kick doors down aren't the ones that get to walk through them. You get that sense from Kaepernick and from Smith here. He said he was mad that people get to speak freely about that stuff now, but it hurt his career when he did it earlier. That's kinda how it goes though. Being a frontrunner in calls for social change more often than not requires the willingness to sacrifice.