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Active shooter at Texas Robb Elementary school with 19 kids and 2 Adults dead, 18 year old shooter killed

Mr BFK said:
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help me understand what correlation u mean cuz that sentence is throwing me off 🙁
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The greater the number of guns held by the population, the more mass shootings. America has far more guns per capita than any other nation and also has far more mass shootings than any other nation.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
The greater the number of guns held by the population, the more mass shootings. America has far more guns per capita than any other nation and also has far more mass shootings than any other nation.
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That doesn't compute whatsoever. If it did, there would be far more school shootings in other countries than we see. Canada has just over a quarter of the guns per 100 people that we have, wouldn't it stand to reason that they would then have at least a quarter of the number of mass shootings we have?

But they don't... 'Cause Canada is the "happiest" country in this entire hemisphere.

It's the people, not the guns.
 
konceptjones said:
That doesn't compute whatsoever. If it did, there would be far more school shootings in other countries than we see. Canada has just over a quarter of the guns per 100 people that we have, wouldn't it stand to reason that they would then have at least a quarter of the number of mass shootings we have?

But they don't... 'Cause Canada is the "happiest" country in this entire hemisphere.

It's the people, not the guns.
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I said there is a direct correlation between the number of guns and shootings not that the number of shootings and guns are directly proportional.

I also didn't say that the number of guns causes the shootings.

Of course it's the people. It's not like guns have become sentient, sprouted legs, and are walking around shooting people. We have a ton of people with problems that look to guns as the solution. Those people are the ones doing the killings, but the fact that guns are so accessible in America is what allows them to be successful.
 
Again why is mental health only brought up when it comes to countering gun control arguments? Canada has guns but they don’t have a gun but culture I don’t know if they have an NRA. Yes Americans got issues but if you think access to guns has no bearing at all on a mass shooting tjats fucking crazy. I can go get a gun with just an id and maybe a light background check.

Then when we compare to other countries do they have the same illegal gun problem like America. Can I be in Canada and just find a gun in the bushes? Do they have people breaking into houses and taking guns and flipping them? Or all those just mental health issues?
 
HellCzar said:
Again why is mental health only brought up when it comes to countering gun control arguments? Canada has guns but they don’t have a gun but culture I don’t know if they have an NRA. Yes Americans got issues but if you think access to guns has no bearing at all on a mass shooting tjats fucking crazy. I can go get a gun with just an id and maybe a light background check.

Then when we compare to other countries do they have the same illegal gun problem like America. Can I be in Canada and just find a gun in the bushes? Do they have people breaking into houses and taking guns and flipping them? Or all those just mental health issues?
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Thats not true. Mental health is talked about in plenty other areas were it makes sense like suicide for instance. Someone deciding to go committ one of these type crimes is not a normal human response at all.

And have you ever purchased or tried to purchase a gun? Honest question.

Reason I asked is because so many pro gun ppl say stuff like what you did about "maybe a light background check" when they jave no clue at all how the system works amd are just repeating what they heard.

Theres no "light" background check you fill out the 4473 form and your info is compared in NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System). Very few times have I gotten an instant approval. Most times I either have to wait while an agent does a manual research, or I get a delay(which means I gotta wait at least 3 days while my info is manually researched.) Its nothing "light" about it. The system actually works the majority of the time in gun purchases.
 
The Mad Titan said:
Thats not true. Mental health is talked about in plenty other areas were it makes sense like suicide for instance. Someone deciding to go committ one of these type crimes is not a normal human response at all.

And have you ever purchased or tried to purchase a gun? Honest question.

Reason I asked is because so many pro gun ppl say stuff like what you did about "maybe a light background check" when they jave no clue at all how the system works amd are just repeating what they heard.

Theres no "light" background check you fill out the 4473 form and your info is compared in NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System). Very few times have I gotten an instant approval. Most times I either have to wait while an agent does a manual research, or I get a delay(which means I gotta wait at least 3 days while my info is manually researched.) Its nothing "light" about it. The system actually works the majority of the time in gun purchases.
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I mean background checks have stopped plenty folks from copping guns so it does work but how you stop folks from going off after they got the gun legally. I’m just asking but for the mental part of it it’s all the same across the US or is different requirements for different states?
 
HellCzar said:
I mean background checks have stopped plenty folks from copping guns so it does work but how you stop folks from going off after they got the gun legally. I’m just asking but for the mental part of it it’s all the same across the US or is different requirements for different states?
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Different requirements for different states and that was one of the major problems too. Plus you got the gun show and private sale loophole where background checks aren’t required if I’m not mistaken. I’m hoping this new bill addresses all of this inconsistency between states and close loopholes.
 
HellCzar said:
I mean background checks have stopped plenty folks from copping guns so it does work but how you stop folks from going off after they got the gun legally. I’m just asking but for the mental part of it it’s all the same across the US or is different requirements for different states?
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That's the unfortunate reality. You can't control what someone does after purchasing a gun. And that's the problem we have. There's ways to keep the majority of ppl who shouldn't have guns from legally getting them. Those things are in place and they work the majority of the time. It's the outliers here.

Far as mental health and bc's, one of the first questions after you get past your general info on form 4473 is about you're mental health status. Federal law makes it illegal to lie on these forms (and there's stiff penalty behind it) and " unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

In addition to that, states also prohibit this. Here's a chart for anyone interested - https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil...session-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx

So we already have the "common sense" gun laws in place. The problem is not being able what someone does after the fact of purchasing. So a person could very well be off or close to it, but was never committed, properly diagnosed or ever got in trouble so from a purely technical stand point they're eligible to bug a gun.

This goes right back to how we don't handle mental health well. And if you say well just ban the guns and no one can get them. It's absolutely wrong. Only ppl who choose to follow that law will be affected. You can't stop them from being produced which means you can't stop them from being smuggled in which means you can't stop criminals from getting them to commit crimes. Nor will it make it "harder"

Drugs illegal as fuck, but easy to get anywhere
 
TheNightKing said:
Different requirements for different states and that was one of the major problems too. Plus you got the gun show and private sale loophole where background checks aren’t required if I’m not mistaken. I’m hoping this new bill addresses all of this inconsistency between states and close loopholes.
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Common misconception. Federal law prohibits it and states also do. See my post above
 
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