Active shooter at Texas Robb Elementary school with 19 kids and 2 Adults dead, 18 year old shooter killed

[AZTG]

Bro, you in here (and the other thread) fighting the good fight. I can't een do it no more.

Arguing about gun control with ppl in these type of incidents is useless to me. Its too emotional of a topic and gun control advocates can't see any logic over their feelings.

I get it, when shit like this happens its heartbreaking. But we still have to have logic and understand banning guns wont do shit when theres millions or tens of millions of guns out here already with no way to round them up. So theres still guns out here to be stolen amd illegally sold. The most logical and simpliest first step is to make sure nut jobs cant just run up in schools in the first place.

And for the "we dont want our kids feeling like they're in prison" crowd, you think somebody can simply run up in the school your favorite piece of shit politician send his or her kids to?

Let alone black ppl arguing for gun control when we know laws typically get enforced on us at disproportional rates in a country that we always talking about is oppressing and killing us (and it is).

Props to you for trying to have a logical, reasonable amd informative conversation.

Im curious about one thing.

Why say gun controller are not seeing logic when the facts are there were many countries that imposed strict gun control and it worked.

Like if I point at multiple real life examples of this workong, and then you tell me this doesnt work, by definition you being illogical.

Btw, i dont have the answers. Im not saying the US can do what Australia, or England, or New Zeland, or Japan did. What I can say though, is that Australia didnt do what England did. All these countries did their version of GC. And the US would have to sit and figure US' version of GC.

Back to my point, if I show multiple cases of something working in real life, and someone says that doesnt work, they being the definition of illogical.

So with that, lets admit the truth, which is both sides are being equally illogical. I agree GC folks get caught up in emotions. But its clear as day non GC folks get caught up in emotions equally.

 

[Inori]

I think it will be too costly, but so will militarizing every single school in the US.

I doubt it would be as costly as all the money the government is dumping into Ukraine at the moment.

Unlimited funds when it comes to fuckin off across the globe minding other peoples business, but folks wanna penny pinch when it comes to protecting the children and people right here at home. smh

 

[SeaSnake]

Bro, you in here (and the other thread) fighting the good fight. I can't een do it no more.

Arguing about gun control with ppl in these type of incidents is useless to me. Its too emotional of a topic and gun control advocates can't see any logic over their feelings.

I get it, when shit like this happens its heartbreaking. But we still have to have logic and understand banning guns wont do shit when theres millions or tens of millions of guns out here already with no way to round them up. So theres still guns out here to be stolen amd illegally sold. The most logical and simpliest first step is to make sure nut jobs cant just run up in schools in the first place.

And for the "we dont want our kids feeling like they're in prison" crowd, you think somebody can simply run up in the school your favorite piece of shit politician send his or her kids to?

Let alone black ppl arguing for gun control when we know laws typically get enforced on us at disproportional rates in a country that we always talking about is oppressing and killing us (and it is).

Props to you for trying to have a logical, reasonable amd informative conversation.

You mention black folks and laws targeting them. You think increased security in black schools gonna really make black kids safer they already suspend our kids more. I feel y’all not letting crazy folks get guns but a lot of these crazy folks ain’t giving no inclination of being crazy until they already did it. It’s shit said in here making me think some of y’all don’t need guns. I’m not saying y’all gun guys are wrong but it’s been circles and circles here

 

[Marc123]

Uvalde Mother Who Ran Into School Says Police Threatened to Violate Her Probation for Speaking to Media

Angeli Rose Gomez says Uvalde police threatened her with a parole violation if she spoke to the media about her experience at the elementary school shooting.

www.mediaite.com

I believe it. Not surprised tbh

 

[Dwayne]

How much weapons and money these so called peaceful countries giving to Ukraine.

We need better gun laws, absolutely. But we are not Japan or some of these all white countries. We have folks here white and Asian that are using policies and some cases weapons to force us into a worse situation. I guarantee when “others” start to move to their countries in droves they will change.

I’m not giving up anything while I live on this earth with whites and Asians and the way the treat us

 

[konceptjones]

You mention black folks and laws targeting them. You think increased security in black schools gonna really make black kids safer they already suspend our kids more. I feel y’all not letting crazy folks get guns but a lot of these crazy folks ain’t giving no inclination of being crazy until they already did it. It’s shit said in here making me think some of y’all don’t need guns. I’m not saying y’all gun guys are wrong but it’s been circles and circles here

the overwhelming majority of mass shooters all displayed crazy inclinations, most of them documented. Many had run-ins with the police already. Had there been a system in place to flag them, we wouldn't have had any of the shootings where the guns were legally purchased. Columbine would have still happened because those were illegally purchased.

 

[BlackRain]

She not only got her 2 kids out but an entire class as well. Every last one of those officers should be publicly named and shamed for the rest of their lives.

 

[konceptjones]

Yes, because you can’t control people. But you can control who gets guns. And if you can’t weed out the crazies from the responsible, the logical conclusion is to keep them away from everybody.

But like I said, no give from the gun rights folks side. Do everything BUT restrict access to certain guns/accessories/ammo. So they can target shoot, smh.

And I've been saying stop people from getting guns with documented histories of mental illness where they've shown themselves to be a threat to themselves and other people. THAT'S CONTROLLING WHO GETS GUNS!!!

 

[The Mad Titan]

Im curious about one thing.

Why say gun controller are not seeing logic when the facts are there were many countries that imposed strict gun control and it worked.

Like if I point at multiple real life examples of this workong, and then you tell me this doesnt work, by definition you being illogical.

Btw, i dont have the answers. Im not saying the US can do what Australia, or England, or New Zeland, or Japan did. What I can say though, is that Australia didnt do what England did. All these countries did their version of GC. And the US would have to sit and figure US' version of GC.

Back to my point, if I show multiple cases of something working in real life, and someone says that doesnt work, they being the definition of illogical.

So with that, lets admit the truth, which is both sides are being equally illogical. I agree GC folks get caught up in emotions. But its clear as day non GC folks get caught up in emotions equally.

Everytime yall talk about whataboutisms with other countries, yall fail to mention society in general is better in said countries. Meaning better wages, standards of living social programs, healthcare etc. Im essence ppl commit less acts of violence when they have better quality of life.

This country was founded on blood which it refuses to atone for and is still in its infancy compared to the rest of the world. What worked for other countries wont work for the US. At least not until some root issues are addressed.

In the meantime, stop letting running up in schools be so damn easy is the first place to start. After that there are SOME restrictions O dont mind. But this pie in the sky ban all attitude is futile

 

[The Mad Titan]

You mention black folks and laws targeting them. You think increased security in black schools gonna really make black kids safer they already suspend our kids more. I feel y’all not letting crazy folks get guns but a lot of these crazy folks ain’t giving no inclination of being crazy until they already did it. It’s shit said in here making me think some of y’all don’t need guns. I’m not saying y’all gun guys are wrong but it’s been circles and circles here

This aint happening in black schools because most black schools have long been having metal detectors and locked doors. Not to mentioned the overwhelming majority of the type of crimes are committed by non black ppl.

 

[Eyerone]

Maybe have background checks be similar to the ones they do when you are going for a secret clearance? Those checks are very detailed and long. They talk with your references, old jobs, neighbors. They go back I think 10 years of your history. They check where you live and where you use to live. School history is looked at. Overseas travel is looked at. Finance, marriage, criminal history, medical history, drug or alcohol abuse and some other things. Some checks even do a lie detector... At least for a top secret clearance. It also takes a few months depending how much history you have. The investigators talk with you and your references. If you got cracks in your wall of history, you aint getting that job.

I dont know, just throwing out ideas. Those checks are costly but im sure some kind of deal can be worked out between the company and state.

Yeah those cost about 10k per investigation. Handguns can run as cheap as $250 at a gun store.

 

[Eyerone]

Everytime yall talk about whataboutisms with other countries, yall fail to mention society in general is better in said countries. Meaning better wages, standards of living social programs, healthcare etc. Im essence ppl commit less acts of violence when they have better quality of life.

This country was founded on blood which it refuses to atone for and is still in its infancy compared to the rest of the world. What worked for other countries wont work for the US. At least not until some root issues are addressed.

In the meantime, stop letting running up in schools be so damn easy is the first place to start. After that there are SOME restrictions O dont mind. But this pie in the sky ban all attitude is futile

facts.

people be like “I don’t want our schools to feel like a prison or military institution! This is America!” In other countries, they have armed security & TSA level bag checking at hotels and other soft targets. They understand that shit ain’t always sweet and shit CAN happen.

 

[The Mad Titan]

And I've been saying stop people from getting guns with documented histories of mental illness where they've shown themselves to be a threat to themselves and other people. THAT'S CONTROLLING WHO GETS GUNS!!!

Absolutely this!!!

I dont mind increasing age limits, that comes with a host of other issues but Im open to it

I aint with constituional carry. I believe requiring everyone who wishes to carry to be trained and licensed is reasonable.

I can get with private sales going thru FFL also. And if you bypass it and get caught, automatic 25. If that gun is used in a crime, 30, mass shooting you get life. No exceptions

Charge adults who let their kids get access to their weapons with the same crime

Hold school admins accountable when they see the signs but didnt act. Like the oxford shooting here in MI, they let that little fuck go right back to class.

Also, everytime this shit happens, every single damn time there are classmates and peers who gi "who ya, this isnt surprising" and got all kinda stories detailing tell tale signs. Are they saying anything at all or are the adults not acting/listening?

 

[Playmaker88]

 

[TheNightKing]

Absolutely this!!!

I dont mind increasing age limits, that comes with a host of other issues but Im open to it

I aint with constituional carry. I believe requiring everyone who wishes to carry to be trained and licensed is reasonable.

I can get with private sales going thru FFL also. And if you bypass it and get caught, automatic 25. If that gun is used in a crime, 30, mass shooting you get life. No exceptions

Charge adults who let their kids get access to their weapons with the same crime

Hold school admins accountable when they see the signs but didnt act. Like the oxford shooting here in MI, they let that little fuck go right back to class.

Also, everytime this shit happens, every single damn time there are classmates and peers who gi "who ya, this isnt surprising" and got all kinda stories detailing tell tale signs. Are they saying anything at all or are the adults not acting/listening?

But the person you quoted doesn’t even want to raise the age limit. All I’m saying is let’s be reasonable from all sides.

 

[AZTG]

Everytime yall talk about whataboutisms with other countries, yall fail to mention society in general is better in said countries. Meaning better wages, standards of living social programs, healthcare etc. Im essence ppl commit less acts of violence when they have better quality of life.

This country was founded on blood which it refuses to atone for and is still in its infancy compared to the rest of the world. What worked for other countries wont work for the US. At least not until some root issues are addressed.

In the meantime, stop letting running up in schools be so damn easy is the first place to start. After that there are SOME restrictions O dont mind. But this pie in the sky ban all attitude is futile

I personally never said ban guns. I said make guns harder to get and it will gradually lessen the number of guns. Once you stop pumping millions of new guns into the population, there will come a time where the number of guns out there will significantly go down.

I dont trust locking down schools will work cause putting cops in school was supposed to work and we have more cases of cops running out of schools than we cops actually doing shit.

And now they want veterans to get school shooter training.

Plus this aint just about schools. Babies dying is always the most tragic, but a mfer did purchase guns at 2pm and murdered 3 folks at 4pm just a few days ago.

And again, idc that the US is not like Australia. And shit, England is just like the US when it comes to shit like bad education, horrible living conditions etc. UK is never on the list of the top 15 best living condition countries. And they made the change and it worked.

All in all, dont be the guy saying GC dont work when there are real life examples of different ass cultures implementing their cultural version of GC and it working. Saying GC dont work in the face of successful examples is wild.

And no, the US shouldnt take peoples guns. They should give incentives to get people to turn in their guns, and make new guns really hard to get.

No that wont stop all shootings. No that wont stop the next shooting. And no it wont be successful overnight.

But what it will do is itll have the US go from having 400 mil guns to 375 mil in 5 years, 350 mil a few years after that and so forth.

Either way, be for GC or dont. Idc. Just dont sit there and say GC folks are illogical when you looking at real life examples of it succeeding in various countries with different cultures and say GC doesnt work.

 

[AZTG]

Also, mental health is a bigger issue than GC. Like for real. Society aint even ready to have the discussion of mental health. So to think we can fix mental health and keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill is wild.

Its people right now writing suicide letters and having homicidal thoughts that no one will ever suspect.

Like what are we doing? Are we gonna have a realistic convo around actual change or are we gonna be super disingenuous and try to solve the mental health issues?

 

[konceptjones]

But the person you quoted doesn’t even want to raise the age limit. All I’m saying is let’s be reasonable from all sides.

I've merely pointed out that raising the age limit wouldn't have stopped the majority of these shootings because most of the shooters were all over 21.

 

[William Munny]

A dick vein is the only thin blue line I respect. These fucking losers want all the benefits of being “heroes” while only living up the standards of being absolute cocksuckers.

 

[The Mad Titan]

I personally never said ban guns. I said make guns harder to get and it will gradually lessen the number of guns. Once you stop pumping millions of new guns into the population, there will come a time where the number of guns out there will significantly go down.

I dont trust locking down schools will work cause putting cops in school was supposed to work and we have more cases of cops running out of schools than we cops actually doing shit.

And now they want veterans to get school shooter training.

Plus this aint just about schools. Babies dying is always the most tragic, but a mfer did purchase guns at 2pm and murdered 3 folks at 4pm just a few days ago.

And again, idc that the US is not like Australia. And shit, England is just like the US when it comes to shit like bad education, horrible living conditions etc. UK is never on the list of the top 15 best living condition countries. And they made the change and it worked.

All in all, dont be the guy saying GC dont work when there are real life examples of different ass cultures implementing their cultural version of GC and it working. Saying GC dont work in the face of successful examples is wild.

And no, the US shouldnt take peoples guns. They should give incentives to get people to turn in their guns, and make new guns really hard to get.

No that wont stop all shootings. No that wont stop the next shooting. And no it wont be successful overnight.

But what it will do is itll have the US go from having 400 mil guns to 375 mil in 5 years, 350 mil a few years after that and so forth.

Either way, be for GC or dont. Idc. Just dont sit there and say GC folks are illogical when you looking at real life examples of it succeeding in various countries with different cultures and say GC doesnt work.

Take guns out of the equation and the US is still a very violent place for a developed country. Why is that? Thats what we need to be trying to figure out and solve. So again, you cant speak about other countries and what works for THEM because the ppl HERE are driven to violence in a different way.

And a significant decrease in firearms would easily take several decades, amd thats IF there was a way to stop guns coming illegally. Its wheel spinning.

Again, why are ppl so quick to dismiss making the damn buildings harder to access?

You cant walk into a bank vault
You cant run up on politicians and their families
You cant run up in court buildings and act a fool

On and on, but lets leave these schools wide open. The piece of shit politicians have their kids and the schools they attend protected by well trained armed forces and the sleep better at night because of it. How can we say we dont deserve the same for ours?

And wheres the data to support your a 25 million reduction in guns within 5 years argument