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Poll Abortion: Pro Life or Pro Choice

To kill or not to kill

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Dwayne said:
I’m so tired of hearing these politicians and these fake pro-life folks telling women what they should do with their bodies.

When in reality they ain’t pro-life just pro-birth and if we really wanna go down the rabbit hole, it’s white folks just trying to keep their numbers up because they slowly dying out.

if a woman black or whatever feels the best decision is to get a abortion they should with no push back. A child can have irreversible strain on someone mental and in return the baby would suffer.

The stupid shit they say is insulting. Here’s just one video

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It’s not white folks trying to keep their numbers up though. If they wanted to keep their numbers higher than ours, they’d be FOR abortion because black women have 5x as many abortions as white women and 80% of planned parenthood facilities are in communities of color.
 
I’m actually pro-life leaning since having kids and the more I learn about how many black babies are aborted. My wife is actually an advocate that offers assistance to girls considering abortion. She said you’d be amazed at how many of the girls are black, almost all of them. And the white ones are pregnant by black men typically.
 
TheNightKing said:
It’s not white folks trying to keep their numbers up though. If they wanted to keep their numbers higher than ours, they’d be FOR abortion because black women have 5x as many abortions as white women and 80% of planned parenthood facilities are in communities of color.
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I read white women are more likely to have an abortion. But you might be right.

They use other methods for our women, starting with not giving them proper healthcare and when it comes to men locking us up on bs charges.
 
Dwayne said:
I read white women are more likely to have an abortion. But you might be right.

They use other methods for our women, starting with not giving them proper healthcare and when it comes to men locking us up on bs charges.
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This is true...however, they are more likely to have the procedure done at a private facility, as opposed to a public clinic
 
Dwayne said:
I read white women are more likely to have an abortion. But you might be right.

They use other methods for our women, starting with not giving them proper healthcare and when it comes to men locking us up on bs charges.
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I think black women are disproportionately higher than white women. Black women might be say 13% of the woman population, but represents 40% of abortions.

So yes, based solely on numbers, white women would have more, but proportionately still less than black women.

So numbers wise, you may have a point.
 
I was about to make this thread, but see it's been revived already.

I'm on the fence with this (maybe slightly leaning pro-life), so I don't think either side is on some bullshit. I do think the "my body, my choice" thing is a terrible phrase though. I'm not interested in debating rape/incest because I think those arguments are mostly to muddy the waters and avoid a decision. They should be addressed, but it can be a secondary conversation.

For the pro-choice group.

How far along would you allow an abortion? What made you choose that cut-off?
 
Bow to Royalty said:
How far along would you allow an abortion? What made you choose that cut-off?
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If it's up to me, I'd say any point where the fetus can survive by itself outside the womb is my cutoff. So like part way through second trimester and definitely 3rd trimester. Under normal circumstances if youre actually functioning adult, you know whether or not you can go through with a pregnancy within the first trimester.

But there's some diseases that don't present/cant be tested for until later and im not in a position to tell somebody they gotta go through a pregnancy and raise a kid that has some debilitating condition.
 
shutupGabi said:
If it's up to me, I'd say any point where the fetus can survive by itself outside the womb is my cutoff. So like part way through second trimester and definitely 3rd trimester. Under normal circumstances if youre actually functioning adult, you know whether or not you can go through with a pregnancy within the first trimester.

But there's some diseases that don't present/cant be tested for until later and im not in a position to tell somebody they gotta go through a pregnancy and raise a kid that has some debilitating condition.
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If the standard is surviving by itself outside the room, I think you'd allow abortions pretty late (into the 3rd trimester). By survive by itself I mean the baby is doing everything it needs on its own, and doesn't need to be in the NICU getting assistance with breathing and eating.

And working backwards let's say at 24 weeks a baby has a decent chance of survival as long as it's born in the hospital and goes to the NICU. You'd allow an abortion at 22 weeks, knowing the baby is only 2 weeks from a good chance at being able to survive outside the womb?

I'm on the fence on this, so I am kinda playing devil's advocate. Not that your stance is wrong... just to propose the other side of the argument.
 
Bow to Royalty said:
If the standard is surviving by itself outside the room, I think you'd allow abortions pretty late (into the 3rd trimester). By survive by itself I mean the baby is doing everything it needs on its own, and doesn't need to be in the NICU getting assistance with breathing and eating.

And working backwards let's say at 24 weeks a baby has a decent chance of survival as long as it's born in the hospital and goes to the NICU. You'd allow an abortion at 22 weeks, knowing the baby is only 2 weeks from a good chance at being able to survive outside the womb?

I'm on the fence on this, so I am kinda playing devil's advocate. Not that your stance is wrong... just to propose the other side of the argument.
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Yeah, that seems late in the game IMO. Again, I'm not really for abortion, but accepting that it is a thing, the point at which the fetus has a heartbeat seems like a more humane cutoff than the point where the baby can survive on its own outside of the womb. At the third trimester, you can't call the fetus a "clump of cells" anymore. It's pretty clearly a little person at that point.
 
I'm pro-choice, but the idea of late term abortions turn my stomach. However, the idea of forcing someone to give birth to a child they don't want is equally as disgusting.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
Yeah, that seems late in the game IMO. Again, I'm not really for abortion, but accepting that it is a thing, the point at which the fetus has a heartbeat seems like a more humane cutoff than the point where the baby can survive on its own outside of the womb. At the third trimester, you can't call the fetus a "clump of cells" anymore. It's pretty clearly a little person at that point.
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I think the heartbeat rule is kinda what Texas went by isn't it?
 
Bow to Royalty said:
I think the heartbeat rule is kinda what Texas went by isn't it?
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Is it? I mean people have been saying that the Texas rule has the cutoff so early that a lot of women wouldn't even know they are pregnant in that time. The heartbeat starts around 6.5-7 months. Do a lot of women really not know they are pregnant after more than a month an a half?

CeLLar-DooR said:
This hasn't been a debate here inna England for my entire life
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Do you know if and when the cutoff for getting an abortion is in in England?

And a lot of things get debated to death in America that doesn't happen in most countries. It's largely because our political debates are disingenuous and not meant to be resolved.
 
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