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2022 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs Boston Celtics (WARRIORS WIN 7️⃣th NBA TITLE)

Who wins?

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Sony Montana said:
I can watch both and see which one is the better player
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So you saying with Giannis and Jrue Holiday on the floor Middleton gets the same defensive attention that Miller got with Dale Davis and Mark Jackson?

Yes or no, and we can leave this whole conversation alone.
 
BlackRain said:
If you take Currys exact skill set and abilities and drop him in 1997 he'd blow people's minds pulling up from 30 ft on a regular and handling the ball the way he does to get shots. More physical play doesn't mean better...mainly because you actually have to be able to stay in front of a player to be physical and that would be very difficult
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The thing that you and others that argue like aren't getting your mind around is that he's not going to be doing the shit that he does now back then. Again, we have direct evidence that Curry falters when having to face more physical and consistent defense. What do you think would happen when he has to go up against that more games than not rather than just in the Finals? Someone like Gary Payton would almost completely shut Curry down.

BlackRain said:
Some would...many wouldn't. There's a reason the Dale Davis types have been phased out. Because the way the game is played today if you can't score consistently or defend you're a liability. The era of just having a big man you can let stand in the paint and clog the middle is gone.
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I agree with this.
 
DMorgan said:
So you saying with Giannis and Jrue Holiday on the floor Middleton gets the same defensive attention that Miller got with Dale Davis and Mark Jackson?

Yes or no, and we can leave this whole conversation alone.
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I’m saying khris Middleton is a better player than Reggie Miller

and if players are better now than in the 90s in general why would I favor the guy who played in the 90s and didn’t even dominate like that?
 
I think the thing that fans of today's game have a problem understanding is that it's not just the players that are different nowadays. The game is different now. There have been rule changes implemented that have predicated certain changes in how players play the game.

It seems modern fans look at the game and want to act like everything these players do now is because they are just more capable instead of recognizing that some of the shit they do now is enabled by changes that have been made to the game.

Watching this series, I find it hard to believe that people really think players are better nowadays. The Celtics are absolutely throwing this series away. The Warriors are a great team, but I can point out three things that Celtics have done that have basically gift wrapped wins for the Warriors and those things are absolutely a result of the way they play the game now.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
The thing that you and others that argue like aren't getting your mind around is that he's not going to be doing the shit that he does now back then. Again, we have direct evidence that Curry falters when having to face more physical and consistent defense. What do you think would happen when he has to go up against that more games than not rather than just in the Finals? Someone like Gary Payton would almost completely shut Curry down.



I agree with this.
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How do you know that? Man is dropping 30ppg in the Finals now against one of the top defenses in the league. If you think players who were admittedly slower and not as quick would somehow shut him down simply because they got physical you're vastly overestimating their abilities. You don't just lose the ability to shoot and given the distance he can accurately shoot from that physical play wouldn't mean as much
 
BlackRain said:
If you take Currys exact skill set and abilities and drop him in 1997 he'd blow people's minds pulling up from 30 ft on a regular and handling the ball the way he does to get shots. More physical play doesn't mean better...mainly because you actually have to be able to stay in front of a player to be physical and that would be very difficult
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Hand-checking is what allowed people to stay in front of folks so that ain't really true.

I look at it like players now aren't really that more skilled that players in the late 80's -90's. The game just evolved and the players now are required to do different things than the players back then just like players back then were required to do different things than they are now.

So if the players now grew up playing a physical game with hand-checking they would be used to that and play accordingly. Just like if late 80's-90's players were grew up playing ball according to how the game is played today they could do it and at a high level.

Players were trained to play the games how it was played in their era. Each era required different skills not necessarily better skills.

Just my opinion
 
Sony Montana said:
I’m saying khris Middleton is a better player than Reggie Miller

and if players are better now than in the 90s in general why would I favor the guy who played in the 90s and didn’t even dominate like that?
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YES OR NO was the only answer. I'm not even reading anything other than that.

So I guess we're done here.
 
The Lonious Monk said:
I think the thing that fans of today's game have a problem understanding is that it's not just the players that are different nowadays. The game is different now. There have been rule changes implemented that have predicated certain changes in how players play the game.

It seems modern fans look at the game and want to act like everything these players do now is because they are just more capable instead of recognizing that some of the shit they do now is enabled by changes that have been made to the game.
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No people admit there's been changes in the games. Those changes don't change people actual skill sets and that's what those who hang onto "the 80s and 90s were tougher" don't get. The skill sets players have now negates alot of shit that was done in the past. That and given how many players are literally bigger, faster and stronger than in the past simply thinking they'd get bullied is ridiculous.
 
DMorgan said:
Hand-checking is what allowed people to stay in front of folks so that ain't really true.

I look at it like players now aren't really that more skilled that players in the late 80's -90's. The game just evolved and the players now are required to do different things than the players back then just like players back then were required to do different things than they are now.

So if the players now grew up playing a physical game with hand-checking they would be used to that and play accordingly. Just like if late 80's-90's players were grew up playing ball according to how the game is played today they could do it and at a high level.

Players were trained to play the games how it was played in their era. Each era required different skills not necessarily better skills.

Just my opinion
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I agree. Especially when it comes to playing the game the way you're taught now vs how it was then. I'm just talking about the skill sets that developed because of those differences. The skills that players have grown to develop today can negate some of the physical play that dominated the game in the past.

Imagine a player trying to hand check Steph when he legit runs miles upon miles on the court during a game weaving in and around screens. It wouldn't do but so much
 
Chi-Town B said:
Reggie>>>Harden
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The Lonious Monk said:
Ok, I can see bigs being better ball handlers and shooters in general, though I'd argue that doesn't mean they are more skilled. It means they were skilled in different areas. You could probably say that big men back then had better footwork and finishing ability in the post.

If by hall handling you mean dribbling around. I guess that's probably true, but I don't think that's always a good thing. For every impressive feat of ball handling that we see that leads to a score, we see at least one play that leads to a turnover or a bad shot.

I agree with the athleticism point, though I think that might be a little overrated as far as it relates to the game.

Thanks for the straight answer.
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well for the bigs, being able to handle and shoot is the skill. You didn't have a Luka, Nikola or an Embiid back in the 90s. Hakeem, Ewing, etc couldnt shoot or handle like them, and the footwork is the same..you can't pull off any move in ball with out having the footwork. Stepbacks, Euros, dribble moves...all require the footwork first.

....ish even the less noticeable bigs can handle and shoot better than the bigs of the 90s and getting into the dribbling, i dont mean dribbing just to dribble...i mean they are able to shift their defender to create a shot or space for themselves. Alot of players at every position can do that. now. That's specials in todays game...but that is not to shit on the 90s...although a lot of these young katz won't admit it....these ballers today needed the nigs of the 00 and 90s to help give birth to their game....



no problem fam! **salute**
 
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