2022 NBA Finals: Golden State Warriors vs Boston Celtics (WARRIORS WIN 7️⃣th NBA TITLE)

[The Lonious Monk]

How do you know that? Man is dropping 30ppg in the Finals now against one of the top defenses in the league. If you think players who were admittedly slower and not as quick would somehow shut him down simply because they got physical you're vastly overestimating their abilities. You don't just lose the ability to shoot and given the distance he can accurately shoot from that physical play wouldn't mean as much

I don't think you fully appreciate the difference in how defense was played. I'm not simply talking about how much people hammered each other. I'm talking about hand checking and the ability to use your body to knock people out of rhythm. That would make a difference against a player like Curry. A lot of what he does is predicated by his opponents having to give him space. They wouldn't have to had to do that back then. Him being faster doesn't mean as much when someone can physically push him and keep him from goin where he wants to go.

No people admit there's been changes in the games. Those changes don't change people actual skill sets and that's what those who hang onto "the 80s and 90s were tougher" don't get. The skill sets players have now negates alot of shit that was done in the past. That and given how many players are literally bigger, faster and stronger than in the past simply thinking they'd get bullied is ridiculous.

We're talking about Curry. He's not bigger and stronger, so yes I do believe someone like him cold be bullied back then.

 

[DMorgan]

well for the bigs, being able to handle and shoot is the skill. You didn't have a Luka, Nikola or an Embiid back in the 90s. Hakeem, Ewing, etc couldnt shoot or handle like them, and the footwork is the same..you can't pull off any move in ball with out having the footwork. Stepbacks, Euros, dribble moves...all require the footwork first.

....ish even the less noticeable bigs can handle and shoot better than the bigs of the 90s and getting into the dribbling, i dont mean dribbing just to dribble...i mean they are able to shift their defender to create a shot or space for themselves. Alot of players at every position can do that. now. That's specials in todays game...but that is not to shit on the 90s...although a lot of these young katz won't admit it....these ballers today needed the nigs of the 00 and 90s to help give birth to their game....



no problem fam! **salute**

Hakeem, Ewing and David Robinson would murder Jokic.

 

[Dwayne]

Big of yester year would get embarrassed in pick and roll situations. It would be disgusting to look at all game.

that free buckets all game.

And the skilled big men in the post would be a problem but it would be easier to guard them than them trying to play pick and roll defense.

 

[Dwayne]

Hakeem, Ewing and David Robinson would murder Jokic.

And he would them.

He can take them out the paint.

 

[DMorgan]

Shit. Who would u rather have in the clutch, gm on the line...harden or reggie

I say reggie

That one aspect of the game doesn't mean Reggie is better than Harden though.

I quit because I'm not even supposed to be participating in this debate.

 

[DMorgan]

And he would them.

He can take them out the paint.

Jokic slow as shit and in their primes none of those 3 were slow.

I 100% disagree and we can just end this with us completely disagreeing on how that would play out.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

well for the bigs, being able to handle and shoot is the skill. You didn't have a Luka, Nikola or an Embiid back in the 90s. Hakeem, Ewing, etc couldnt shoot or handle like them, and the footwork is the same..you can't pull off any move in ball with out having the footwork. Stepbacks, Euros, dribble moves...all require the footwork first.

....ish even the less noticeable bigs can handle and shoot better than the bigs of the 90s and getting into the dribbling, i dont mean dribbing just to dribble...i mean they are able to shift their defender to create a shot or space for themselves. Alot of players at every position can do that. now. That's specials in todays game...but that is not to shit on the 90s...although a lot of these young katz won't admit it....these ballers today needed the nigs of the 00 and 90s to help give birth to their game....



no problem fam! **salute**

I agreed with all that about the bigs though. I'm just saying that somebody like Hakeem would work all them dudes in the post, and likely score more consistently. Also, stepbacks and eurosteps probably would have been called traveling back then. I'm not saying they are traveling, but there has been a transition in the rules that allow shit like that to happen. Remember, when Tim Hardaway and them brought the crossover to prominence, refs was calling that traveling for a while until the league told them to back off and let it ride. So again, some of this shit isn't a matter of players back then couldn't do it. So of it is that the game simply didn't allow for it.

 

[Chi-Town B]

And he would them.

He can take them out the paint.

No he wouldn't

 

[Dwayne]

I agreed with all that about the bigs though. I'm just saying that somebody like Hakeem would work all them dudes in the post, and likely score more consistently. Also, stepbacks and eurosteps probably would have been called traveling back then. I'm not saying they are traveling, but there has been a transition in the rules that allow shit like that to happen. Remember, when Tim Hardaway and them brought the crossover to prominence, refs was calling that traveling for a while until the league told them to back off and let it ride. So again, some of this shit isn't a matter of players back then couldn't do it. So of it is that the game simply didn't allow for it.

Why would a euro which is two steps be called a travel? You hoop?


Step back are two steps unless they use their gather step which is highly new to the game.

And folks travel all the time back in the day to.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Big of yester year would get embarrassed in pick and roll situations. It would be disgusting to look at all game.

that free buckets all game.

And the skilled big men in the post would be a problem but it would be easier to guard them than them trying to play pick and roll defense.

Let's say Shaq would get embarrassed by the pick and roll. A team could adjust the defense to get him help in those situations.

On the flip side, what would any defense in today's game do against Shaq. Nothing. Like, they could literally feed him the ball all game and every single time he'd either get an easy score or foul. Of course he's a standout, but the point is those centers might be a weakness in one area, but they'd be almost unstoppable in other areas because of the rules now.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Why would a euro which is two steps be called a travel? You hoop?


Step back are two steps unless they use their gather step which is highly new to the game.

And folks travel all the time back in the day to.

Because back then anytime refs saw some shit they didn't understand, they called some shit just to call it. This isn't a now vs then discussion. There is always a lag between the introduction of new things into the game and the officiating. When they do those long ass Eurosteps, the refs would likely assume they slid their pivot foot, which sometimes they actually do, and call travel. Here is kinda an example of what I'm talking about

 

[Dwayne]

Y’all always like to revert to bigs when talking about the skill level was higher back in the day

When reality it was only a handful of talented bigs in the entire 90s

These NBA today has 20x more talented guards and forwards than it did in the 90s

Take a player like JR Smith and put him in the 90s and he would be a all star

For every Dream you bring up I can name 20 more guards/forwards.

 

[Al G. Rhythm]

Sarunas marciulionis did the euro step all the time in the 90s..

 

[DMorgan]

@BlackAx410 yall can still win it but yall fucked up my Celtics in 6 pick.

So far Wiggins has proven me wrong. He is maintaining a very good level of play. I didn't think he could do it.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Y’all always like to revert to bigs when talking about the skill level was higher back in the day

When reality it was only a handful of talented bigs in the entire 90s

These NBA today has 20x more talented guards and forwards than it did in the 90s

Take a player like JR Smith and put him in the 90s and he would be a all star

For every Dream you bring up I can name 20 more guards/forwards.

And ya'll do exactly what I said a few posts ago, ya'll act like these dudes that show out today would do the same thing back then as if the difference in the rules and gameplay don't make a difference.

Why do you think people that played across eras (shaq, carter, pierce, etc...) say someone like MJ would average 45 easy now? Because the rules are different. On top of that, back then all players had to be two way players to some extent. You throw out someone like JR Smith who is decent offensively and didn't do much of anything on the defense end and act like he'd be an all-star. No he wouldn't, especially when you add in the fact that his BBall IQ was basically 0 and he was prone to doing dumb shit. This idea ya'll have that shooting ability and athleticism are the end all/be all in basketball is crazy.

 

[PhenomTheMac]

Can't fuck with Steph in today's game so you gotta invent a time machine and say he would be average in the 90s. Nasty work.

 

[Dwayne]

My point is talent wise

Y’all really overrating players IQ from back in the day.

JR Smith is a average player that would do well in the 90s

No average player from the 90s could thrive in the this league because the Talent is to good

 

[PhenomTheMac]

Terrell Brandon at 5'11 was getting 19 a night, but the league would be too physical for Steph?

Just sit down and enjoy ring # 4. This is just sad.

 

[Shaquille Sunflower]

Chris mullin>>>Reggie

 

[Al G. Rhythm]

“You throw out someone like JR Smith who is decent offensively and didn't do much of anything on the defense end and act like he'd be an all-star.”







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