Should Our Kids or Kid's Kid Have to Grind

Knock_Twice said:
I feel you.

Is it safe to say, that (black) kids for the most part turn to selling drugs because their parents didn't setup a good platform for them?

If the platform is setup, meaning that, that child doesn't have to sell drugs or work 2 or 3 jobs, are we breaking the "grind gotta get it" cycle?
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naw kids sell drugs for a number of reasons......

a main one is cuz they don't believe in alternatives....


when you poor....like real poor...you don't want to be.....so to them the most realistic way is to hustle......

a lotta of them when they learn of other ways to make money, that make sense, and they actually believe it can work they'll stop...

but those skeptical that nothing else will work for them stay hustling out of fear of going back to nothing.....

i personally never sold drugs cuz i was scared my mother would kill me...and she always told me that if for any reason i got locked up she ain't bailing me out
 
Didn't read the thread but based on the title....yes

Everybody should have to grind for what they want, it builds character and it makes a person appreciate what have because they put in effort to acquire it. Not saying you shouldn't help your child, nephew, niece etc. along and afford them the best opportunities but you shouldn't let them go through life without an appreciation for hard work.
 
Joshua 3:16 said:
Didn't read the thread but based on the title....yes

Everybody should have to grind for what they want, it builds character and it makes a person appreciate what have because they put in effort to acquire it. Not saying you shouldn't help your child, nephew, niece etc. along and afford them the best opportunities but you shouldn't let them go through life without an appreciation for hard work.
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It's not about the kids not wanting to grind, it's about the kids having to grind as a force.

Should it be easier for your kid to obtain what they want, than how it was for you or your grandfather.

You have kids out here, working harder than what their grandparents work, so I was asking should it be that way? well I took from what David Banner stated in the clip posted on post #22
 
BNE said:
This is dumb as hell, my ears r bout to bleed.

Does he not get that the generational wealth possessed by white people came into their possession far more easily than it would a black person? It's a basic element of the concept of white privilege.

He talkin like this shit's a coincidence n they got that shit on merit.

We can still create generational wealth but it isn't helping shit to act like institutional racism wasn't a factor in why black people r more likely to be impoverished n least likely to have generational wealth.

The chick countering him hit the nail on the head. He's simplifying like a muthafucka.


What I will say, is that he excelled academically in school and had educated parents. His mother didn't even know he was dealing till he was an adult Statistically, had he been a white boy, he would likely have benefited from social mobility. White boys in college deal coke all the time, yet it's brushed aside as a blip or character building moment in their past as the go onto corporate careers.

Since we're removing variables from the equation, let's say he kept his head in the books n didn't fall into the wrong crowd. What do you think he would've gone on to do?
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No problem with your post, I agree about the generational wealth and whites having a 50 yard head start.
 
BNE said:
This is dumb as hell, my ears r bout to bleed.

Does he not get that the generational wealth possessed by white people came into their possession far more easily than it would a black person? It's a basic element of the concept of white privilege.

He talkin like this shit's a coincidence n they got that shit on merit.

We can still create generational wealth but it isn't helping shit to act like institutional racism wasn't a factor in why black people r more likely to be impoverished n least likely to have generational wealth.

The chick countering him hit the nail on the head. He's simplifying like a muthafucka.


What I will say, is that he excelled academically in school and had educated parents. His mother didn't even know he was dealing till he was an adult Statistically, had he been a white boy, he would likely have benefited from social mobility. White boys in college deal coke all the time, yet it's brushed aside as a blip or character building moment in their past as the go onto corporate careers.

Since we're removing variables from the equation, let's say he kept his head in the books n didn't fall into the wrong crowd. What do you think he would've gone on to do?
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reminds me of a walter mosley book i read "Rose Gold"

basically there was a black kid in the story who was a great method actor.....he'd get a personality or a role in his head, and was so convincing he would spend months int hat character and running with a crowd who truly believed this was truly him.....

then he'd switch it up and become a totally different person....


the protagonist was like...if dude was white with a talent like that....he'd be a millionaire....but because he's black, he's now a wanted criminal
 
BNE said:
This is dumb as hell, my ears r bout to bleed.

What I will say, is that he excelled academically in school and had educated parents. His mother didn't even know he was dealing till he was an adult Statistically, had he been a white boy, he would likely have benefited from social mobility. White boys in college deal coke all the time, yet it's brushed aside as a blip or character building moment in their past as the go onto corporate careers.

Since we're removing variables from the equation, let's say he kept his head in the books n didn't fall into the wrong crowd. What do you think he would've gone on to do?
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I think he would have to start from ground zero and what I mean, he would have to setup his own empire instead of building off his parent's empire.

He would have to absorb his own resources/knowledge to start and create his own world, instead of maybe using some of his parents resources and outlets to help aid him setup his own world/lane.

He wouldn't be building/jumping off the steps that his parents would have created, he would be starting from the ground level trying to build his own steps.

Thoughts?
 
Knock_Twice said:
I think he would have to start from ground zero and what I mean, he would have to setup his own empire instead of building off his parent's empire.

He would have to absorb his own resources/knowledge to start and create his own world, instead of maybe using some of his parents resources and outlets to help aid him setup his own world/lane.

He wouldn't be building/jumping off the steps that his parents would have created, he would be starting from the ground level trying to build his own steps.

Thoughts?
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you talking about biggie?

it was his personality and his wit that made him millions....

as a black man, a poor black man....that kinda socially pleasing personality and natural wit is very limited....

Big always said he woulda been a comedian.... but it's almost inevitable he got into drug dealing.....he wa a natural sales man.....that's what sales is....personality.....

dude would have to be in some sort of position where that charm, wit, and intelligence shined....he wasn't a natural business man like puff......
 
King Du said:
naw kids sell drugs for a number of reasons......

a main one is cuz they don't believe in alternatives....


when you poor....like real poor...you don't want to be.....so to them the most realistic way is to hustle......

a lotta of them when they learn of other ways to make money, that make sense, and they actually believe it can work they'll stop...

but those skeptical that nothing else will work for them stay hustling out of fear of going back to nothing.....

i personally never sold drugs cuz i was scared my mother would kill me...and she always told me that if for any reason i got locked up she ain't bailing me out
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Should a kid be upset at a parent if that parent dies and doesn't leave anything behind?

Black folks (some) have a habit of leaving nothing behind but bills and outside kids Lol
 
Knock_Twice said:
It's not about the kids not wanting to grind, it's about the kids having to grind as a force.

Should it be easier for your kid to obtain what they want, than how it was for you or your grandfather.

You have kids out here, working harder than what their grandparents work, so I was asking should it be that way? well I took from what David Banner stated in the clip posted on post #22
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I personally don't think they should, every generation should be an improvement over the last but the world doesn't work like that
 
Knock_Twice said:
Should a kid be upset at a parent if that parent dies and doesn't leave anything behind?

Black folks (some) have a habit of leaving nothing behind but bills and outside kids Lol
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poor kid or privileged kid?

poor kid shouldn't expect shit......
 
King Du said:
you talking about biggie?

it was his personality and his wit that made him millions....

as a black man, a poor black man....that kinda socially pleasing personality and natural wit is very limited....

Big always said he woulda been a comedian.... but it's almost inevitable he got into drug dealing.....he wa a natural sales man.....that's what sales is....personality.....

dude would have to be in some sort of position where that charm, wit, and intelligence shined....he wasn't a natural business man like puff......
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Yea, we was just speaking hypo about his situation.

What you stated, do you feel his parents should have had some resources/savings/outlet for Biggie when he reached that age to help aid him to become a comedian or sales man?
 
King Du said:
poor kid or privileged kid?

poor kid shouldn't expect shit......
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Why you state that the poor kid shouldn't expect it?

Should it be on the parent to wanna leave something behind to help aid the poor kid other than debt maybe when their gone?

Wouldn't that be putting/keeping that poor kid in the same box as his poor parent?
 
Joshua 3:16 said:
I personally don't think they should, every generation should be an improvement over the last but the world doesn't work like that
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Again, can we say the world? or can we say black ppl's world and again, I believe in my heart that every black parent wants their kid to do better and live a better life than them, but my question would be, What are you doing to make this happen? again is it the world keeping that parent/grandparent to not set their child up or is it excuses?
 
Knock_Twice said:
Yea, we was just speaking hypo about his situation.

What you stated, do you feel his parents should have had some resources/savings/outlet for Biggie when he reached that age to help aid him to become a comedian or sales man?
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it's not as essential as making sure he has the necessities to live....

unfortunately developing or aiding a talent or interest is a luxury that many families in poverty don't have.....

she could always encourage him... and everything from biggies mom shows she was always very supportive of her sons success.. but just like the child....they have to believe it's achievable first...

becoming a mom doesn't grant you with some all seeing eye that clouds the world as you've understood it before a parent..
shit is still shit....rent is still due......food is still required....

if she screaming get a job cuz we need money....it ain't cuz she don't believe in him to be a comedian or a rapper, or anything successful,...it's because money is needed immediately....if you can take care of that immediate need first....then sure....we can entertain other things.....but single moms who working hard as it is already can't be expected to entertain fantasies when reality is knocking
 
Knock_Twice said:
Why you state that the poor kid shouldn't expect it?

Should it be on the parent to wanna leave something behind to help aid the poor kid other than debt maybe when their gone?

Wouldn't that be putting/keeping that poor kid in the same box as his poor parent?
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wanting to leave something behind, and being capable of it are two completely different things....

if they were never equipped with the tools to acquire something like that....and were only in the role of providing for the immediate needs, and rarely had anything for themselves...how can they be expected to leave ANYTHING behind....

like you can't ask any parent to hold on to something for later if their kids are hungry now....
 
Knock_Twice said:
Again, can we say the world? or can we say black ppl's world and again, I believe in my heart that every black parent wants their kid to do better and live a better life than them, but my question would be, What are you doing to make this happen? again is it the world keeping that parent/grandparent to not set their child up or is it excuses?
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That's tough to quantify, atm me personally I'm focused on taking the necessary steps to get a career in something I enjoy and being a good role model to my nieces and nephews. They're not nearly old enough to even be thinking about college or girinding yet but I feel like if they see uncle josh doing well then they know they have someone who they can come to for help or look up to. I want the same for any children I may have in the future as well.
 
King Du said:
wanting to leave something behind, and being capable of it are two completely different things....

if they were never equipped with the tools to acquire something like that....and were only in the role of providing for the immediate needs, and rarely had anything for themselves...how can they be expected to leave ANYTHING behind....

like you can't ask any parent to hold on to something for later if their kids are hungry now....
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Agree with the post.

But as a parent let's say you at the age of 60 when you die, you mean to tell that you haven't acquired anything in 60 years to leave behind?

Why not get a life insurance and pay 16-25 dollars a month to pay on a 50k-100k policy (if you a healthy person) kid can get a 50k-100k head start
 
Knock_Twice said:
Agree with the post.

But as a parent let's say you at the age of 60 when you die, you mean to tell that you haven't acquired anything in 60 years to leave behind?

Why not get a life insurance and pay 16-25 dollars a month to pay on a 50k-100k policy (if you a healthy person)
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depends on the lifestyle and decisions made.....and their working knowledge at the time of those decisions

some parents blew their credit to shit so their kids wouldn't go without...thinking they had time to pay it off.....

niggaz in their 60's done lost houses, cars, 401k's, blew loan after loan.....all in the name of providing for their kids.....some never really got to enjoy much in life at all, cuz they were always burdened by the weight of trying their best with whatever they had at the moment to provide for their children...shit be real bruh...

i knew a few folk who died without insurance cuz they needed allll their check....

when i was doing sales, i was shocked at how low old black folk credit scores were.....

it's niggaz in their 50's and 60's with credit scores in the 400's and sitting on $100,000'a worth of debt.....

not to mention some of the parents of these college graduates....who gonna die trying to pay for their kid's diploma....something they themselves never had the opportunity to get....


like if a poor black kid......who parents busted their ass to try to do the best for them they could.....especially go into ridiculous debt for them...taking out 2nd and 3rd mortgages to pay for their kid to go to school n all that (and that's if they were ever in the position to even own a house to begin with...)

kid got some nerve looking for anything when that parent die....

only thing i hope my mom leaves behind is enough money to give her a nice going home service....and if she doesn't, i'll just borrow from the church and keep it moving
 
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