Should kids be free to express themselves through style?

[Chi-Town B]

School dress-codes take into account revealing outfits, so this isn't a possibility unless u dont care if the kid gets sent home for the outfit. That's like asking if I'd let my son go to school in a t-shirt with profanity on it, how is that scenario useful if it wouldn't even be allowed?

Take school out of it, she just going out to hang. You would stop her

 

[Old Man Cain]

Depends on what they are trying to wear/do to express themselves.
No skinny jeans on my sons.... at all.... ever. and young thug put on a d*mn dress and that was supposed to be a form of expression. :disnig:.

if you don't GTFOH with that mess.

However, one of my sons do have a Mohawk. More like a hightop fade hahah, but yeah. it really all depends on what they are asking for.

I agree and ....
























You cussed ol foul mouth ass

 

[BDP™️]

what does this have to do with kiddie fashion?

nah, we havin a discussion. elaborate b.

Just because we are particular about what our children wear...and rightfully so...doesnt mean we are some overbearing restrictive ass parents who dont let thier children do anything...

We may be particlar about dress...but there are many, many ways for one to be expressive and display individualism.

I can only go off my exp and circle of influence....and just about all my friends and familys parents as well as mine...had this same ideaology...and we turned out fine and didnt go super rebellious and get a million piercings etc.



but at the end of the day...just like all the fathers in here..as long as I pay for it...you dont have a say...

when he gets old enough to pay for his own haircuts and clothes...then he will have more freedom to choose...and even then...if its something i vehemetly disagree with...then guess what...IM THE PARENT. IM IN CHARGE. SO WHAT I SAY GOES. and if I say cut that shit..that shit will be cut b....

 

[Old Man Cain]

see, the nose running n shit and disheveled appearance is a sign of neglect on some level. fr, shit like that falls under the signs that schools and education providers are asked to look for when checking for signs of an unstable home. So I'm having a hard time believing this story isn't embellished. Neglect =/= self expression.

Believe it or not that's up to you. There's forms of self expression and you're not about to self express in the form of jackass behavior in my house.

Cain please stop. slow down a bit love.

youre really out here tying a racial binary to self expression?!?!
TO SELF EXPRESSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

youre not even using hotep in the right context because everything you said is Hotepish AF
come on!!!

Yes, yes I am.

 

[Duwop]

Just because we are particular about what our children wear...and rightfully so...doesnt mean we are some overbearing restrictive ass parents who dont let thier children do anything...

We may be particlar about dress...but there are many, many ways for one to be expressive and display individualism.

I can only go off my exp and circle of influence....and just about all my friends and familys parents as well as mine...had this same ideaology...and we turned out fine and didnt go super rebellious and get a million piercings etc.



but at the end of the day...just like all the fathers in here..as long as I pay for it...you dont have a say...

when he gets old enough to pay for his own haircuts and clothes...then he will have more freedom to choose...and even then...if its something i vehemetly disagree with...then guess what...IM THE PARENT. IM IN CHARGE. SO WHAT I SAY GOES. and if I say cut that shit..that shit will be cut b....

exactly B..

it's like yall don't want us being aggressive with anything else in the world......i mean the second you see a black man trying to put his foot down about any of his convictions here comes a whole brigade to try to discourage him from feeling the way he naturally feels, shit's fucking annoying.. but i can adult my way through most of that shit..............but i'll be damned if you take my house from me.....

 

[BDP™️]

on a side note...

thats whats wrong with a lot of these younger kids...parents trying to be thier childs friend and shit.

naw...Im not your fucking friend bruh...Im your dad.

we can be friends once you become a grown man and you stand on your own two...thats where that aspect of the relationship comes into play

 

[Race Jones]

Depends on what they are trying to wear/do to express themselves.
No skinny jeans on my sons.... at all.... ever. and young thug put on a d*mn dress and that was supposed to be a form of expression. :disnig:.

if you don't GTFOH with that mess.

However, one of my sons do have a Mohawk. More like a hightop fade hahah, but yeah. it really all depends on what they are asking for.

are you familiar with the Wodabbe tribe in Africa?

Black men wearing dresses ain't nothing new.

peep game----- they also wear makeup too.

Gender expression, perception varies wildly throughout the world culturally and geographically.

I see men in the Middle East, Africa, Polynesia etc wearing things that would be read as women's dresses and skirts in the US.

 

[Duwop]

are you familiar with the Wodabbe tribe in Africa?

Black men wearing dresses ain't nothing new.

peep game----- they also wear makeup too.


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Gender expression, perception varies wildly throughout the world culturally and geographically.

I see men in the Middle East, Africa, Polynesia etc wearing things that would be read as women's dresses and skirts, in the US.

nope

 

[BDP™️]

If we're using anecdotes, looking @ my circle, those who weren't restricted by their parents fashion preferences in childhood feel less desire to rebel in adulthood. Out of those who do gravitate toward things considered alternative, like brightly colored hair or body modification, a considerable majority (of those I have had a chance to ask) have said that they had strict parents who wouldn't let that shit fly. they partly use their freedom as adults to do what they couldn't do then.

this aint a random sampling but we are both using our personal knowledge as frames of reference, correct? so my shit was not "falser denna bitch". just contradicts what you are familiar with, as your post does mine.

guess its a parental philosophy difference cuz I don't agree with this broader mindset.

why are you assuming that parents who have different principles to you are automatically taking a peer-approach to parenting?

that's on par with parents who disagree with the restrictions you may put on your kid, accusing you of being a staunch, strict, fundamental traditionalist who won't let their kid eat food that leans toward shades of pink. characterizing others as extremes is useless cuz it can easily be turned around on u.

cut the shit...

Peer approach to parenting is flawed from the onset...because for one...

A PARENT AND A CHILD ARE NOT PEERS B...

 

[BDP™️]

If we're using anecdotes, looking @ my circle, those who weren't restricted by their parents fashion preferences in childhood feel less desire to rebel in adulthood. Out of those who do gravitate toward things considered alternative, like brightly colored hair or body modification, a considerable majority (of those I have had a chance to ask) have said that they had strict parents who wouldn't let that shit fly. they partly use their freedom as adults to do what they couldn't do then.

this aint a random sampling but we are both using our personal knowledge as frames of reference, correct? so my shit was not "falser denna bitch". just contradicts what you are familiar with, as your post does mine.

guess its a parental philosophy difference cuz I don't agree with this broader mindset.

why are you assuming that parents who have different principles to you are automatically taking a peer-approach to parenting?

that's on par with parents who disagree with the restrictions you may put on your kid, accusing you of being a staunch, strict, fundamental traditionalist who won't let their kid eat food that leans toward shades of pink. characterizing others as extremes is useless cuz it can easily be turned around on u.

and for the record I wasnt assuming that all parents are...

 

[BDP™️]

are you familiar with the Wodabbe tribe in Africa?

Black men wearing dresses ain't nothing new.

peep game----- they also wear makeup too.


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Gender expression, perception varies wildly throughout the world culturally and geographically.

I see men in the Middle East, Africa, Polynesia etc wearing things that would be read as women's dresses and skirts in the US.

Thats fucking awesome...

but again...yall cut the shit...

its all fine and good that those cultures are more liberal than others...

but HERE in the US where we live...thats not our culture...so what the fuck men do and what masculinity is in the Middle East, Africa and Europe is irrelevant love

 

[MissK]

I see both sides. I was and am much more liberal with what mine wear but there are limits. This also extends to name brands-I am not buying expensive clothes for you to throw on the floor.

I wouldn't want my daughter in grown stuff either.

I think this is what a lot of men are afraid of. I spoilered it so you have been warned lol

Spoiler

 

[Duwop]

everybody dies

 

[Reesey]

are you familiar with the Wodabbe tribe in Africa?

Black men wearing dresses ain't nothing new.

peep game----- they also wear makeup too.


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Gender expression, perception varies wildly throughout the world culturally and geographically.

I see men in the Middle East, Africa, Polynesia etc wearing things that would be read as women's dresses and skirts in the US.

That is all fine and dandy love bucket. In the same breath, there are "meanings" behind why they do what they do in such tribes in Africa.

Meanings that are not translated here in the US and the young men that are throwing on dresses here are not doing it for those reasons. haha.

We may be African, but we were not raised in these cultures so it is difficult to just grab a hold to them ALL as a defense to doing weird ISH.

That's like folks quoting a portion of the bible only when it benefits them.

I respect the tribal men who wear dresses and makeup for their cultural reasons, but we do not share them here and if we did perhaps it would be a different story.

 

[MissK]

on a side note...

thats whats wrong with a lot of these younger kids...parents trying to be thier childs friend and shit.

naw...Im not your fucking friend bruh...Im your dad.

we can be friends once you become a grown man and you stand on your own two...thats where that aspect of the relationship comes into play

I tell mine all the time I am not your friend
I have seen some kids tell some of their parents shit that I would put mine in the damn ground for saying. nope nope nope

 

[Old Man Cain]

are you familiar with the Wodabbe tribe in Africa?

Black men wearing dresses ain't nothing new.

peep game----- they also wear makeup too.


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Gender expression, perception varies wildly throughout the world culturally and geographically.

I see men in the Middle East, Africa, Polynesia etc wearing things that would be read as women's dresses and skirts, in the US.

Don't go there bro.

African traditions is a beautiful thing IN AFRICA but CAIN MARKO'S TRADITON is in my house you're going to follow my rules. When he has his house he can do WTF he wants to do.

 

[Race Jones]

I think people have such a limited world view.

I also think Black people are under some type of colonial neurosis in this country

White people have you buying into gender hierarchies and heterosexist ideas.

They taught you to think in a very basic, limiting way.

They taught you such rigid ideas when it comes to masculinity and femininity.

Your son isnt about to put on some skinny jeans and WAHLA magic now hes sucking dick behind the bleachers

thats not how any of this shit works.
plus there's nothing you can do as a parent to stop your child from being what they are (gay, trans, etc)

so all these restrictions are really unnecessary.

your parenting skills are steeped in homophobia.
and thats so wack to me.

Read about pre-colonial Africa.
alot of your views are tied to westernized thinking.

youre not as *woke* as you think
.....in fact you sound like white men.
DECOLONIZE YO MIND MY NIGGA.

 

[Joshie Kahn]

I see both sides. I was and am much more liberal with what mine wear but there are limits. This also extends to name brands-I am not buying expensive clothes for you to throw on the floor.

I wouldn't want my daughter in grown stuff either.

I think this is what a lot of men are afraid of. I spoilered it so you have been warned lol

Spoiler

:dead2: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

This is what a lot of fathers fear when they hear/think about letting their kids and sons in particular be free to express themselves. But in reality, the photo above is a tiny minority of what would be worn. And to be honest kids like the one in the photo above are gonna find a way to express themselves anyway, because they're outside the norm. My 2c

 

[Old Man Cain]

A runny nose isn't self expression, it's a sign of mismanaged health or ill-preparation (giving them kleenex n so on) of whomever is caring for them.

That signifies a care problem. Aint got shit to do with self expression because a runny nose isn't something controlled by the child or an elective decision made by them.

Ur example was faulty af my nigga. That's like saying a sore throat is a speech choice.

My nigga, you're focused on a runny nose focus on the fact they were letting 2yr old do whatever the fuck they wanted to do. All daycare facilities will have a children with runny noses or sick or WTF ever but I am saying children need structure.

 

[Duwop]

naw, leave my mind alone.

I like it here...it's where i live.