Black Women Are Destroying The Black Community

[deadeye]

being serious for a moment....this aint about getting young pussy...its about niggas being destructive and not growing up.

Aight then.


Some might argue that it's on the women just as much as the men.


I mean, it takes 2 to make a baby right?


And, assuming most of these women weren't forced to do anything against their will....they chose to lay down and procreate with men who weren't really about anything.


I'm sure most of these gentlemen weren't stand-up dudes who suddenly turned into bum-ass niggas as soon as their women got pregnant.


They were always bum-ass niggas to begin with.


So, how can you expect a bum-ass nigga to step up and take responsibility for anything?


You can't.


It's not in their nature because that's not who they are.

 

[DOS_patos]

Aight then.


Some might argue that it's on the women just as much as the men.


I mean, it takes 2 to make a baby right?


And, assuming most of these women weren't forced to do anything against their will....they chose to lay down and procreate with men who weren't really about anything.


I'm sure most of these gentlemen weren't stand-up dudes who suddenly turned into bum-ass niggas as soon as their women got pregnant.


They were always bum-ass niggas to begin with.


So, how can you expect a bum-ass nigga to step up and take responsibility for anything?


You can't.


It's not in their nature because that's not who they are.

how did said nigga become a bum nigga?

how did said woman allow such fuck niggatry into her person?

because some nigga who shoulda been dad didnt tell them about responsibility.

it is but so much a woman can do to raise a child.

i have no problem with women who raised children alone...but a child needs both parent for different things.

a mother can do only so much in the life of a man or woman.

only a father can teach his daughter how a man should love her and how she shouldnt settle for less than a dude who will be responsible for him and her and thier future.
Only a father can teach a young man what a man is supposed to be. what he looks like.

a woman can do this but it is fortified by a man. a woman can start the lesson but a man gives the stamp of approval.

This is not directed to you @deadeye but when ever this topic comes up....you can tell whos apart of the problem and whos apart of the solution.

i am sorry but i can never point a finger at a woman for my fuck ups. regardless of how much she did....i ultimately allowed shit to get that far.

when are some of you niggas gonna pull ya pants up and step up for the survival of your race?
when men do better and step up, we directly and indirectly require woman to step up as well.

you ever see a chick who dont want a certain type of successful dude? its because she needs to begin to be responsible and cant run off at the mouth without consequence.

Lets get it....

 

[SeaSnake]

No. I mean we all got some shit going on but I dont think most black women fit this angry loud bitter thing. I get she used her family as an example to make her point but then she used a nigga playing sports to make the case of black male leadership.

How are black women not accountable when they raise kids by themselves half the time, and go to work, and then gotta hear bitches aint shit, dont trust no bitch, and that they are the reason we have problems. Black women can say they dont feel protected and niggas wont even believe it and in turn wonder why the black man is least respected out of other races. We make excuses not to protect women, not to raise the kids, not to actually like women outside of sex. Yes other races have their issues but if we cant even protect women or support them why do we not expect them to view us in a poor light.

Im get flack for saying as a whole that black men can do better because niggas take it personal. And i get it no other race outside Natives has been attacked like blacks in the US. But we go home and fight our women.

I agree with @DOS_patos we asked to lead and then dont want to be responsible for shit.

 

[5th Letter]

A whole lot of generalisations... She included EVERY Black woman in that rant



I know as a man you can't win an argument against a woman :) but I doubt every Black woman is this loud mouthed argumentative person who won't STFU..

We’ve been conditioned to generalize each other like this. She thinks getting brownie points but she’s not.

 

[Loch121]

ok....we all know this....but we as men need to be men and control who gets to sit at the table to speak.
most people dont have the right to speak on certain issues because they are apart of the problem.

while i agree that alot of black women stick together and share success stories and build ....at times it becomes them against us when too much money is involved.

where did they learn that from? who taught them that? why do they feel that way?

these are all things men should teach their daughters....how to share and be apart of the solution and not show unwavering loyalty to the green.

same with men teaching their sons to not claim the dollar above all.

our race will not survive.

yes, we need money to build ....but we also need each other to build.

a man with money and no father might be a hoe..but will want to settle at a point.
a woman with money and no father, is unbearable.

you can't tell these women shit though

 

[deadeye]

how did said nigga become a bum nigga?

how did said woman allow such fuck niggatry into her person?

because some nigga who shoulda been dad didnt tell them about responsibility.

it is but so much a woman can do to raise a child.

i have no problem with women who raised children alone...but a child needs both parent for different things.

a mother can do only so much in the life of a man or woman.

only a father can teach his daughter how a man should love her and how she shouldnt settle for less than a dude who will be responsible for him and her and thier future.
Only a father can teach a young man what a man is supposed to be. what he looks like.

a woman can do this but it is fortified by a man. a woman can start the lesson but a man gives the stamp of approval.

This is not directed to you @deadeye but when ever this topic comes up....you can tell whos apart of the problem and whos apart of the solution.

i am sorry but i can never point a finger at a woman for my fuck ups. regardless of how much she did....i ultimately allowed shit to get that far.

when are some of you niggas gonna pull ya pants up and step up for the survival of your race?
when men do better and step up, we directly and indirectly require woman to step up as well.

you ever see a chick who dont want a certain type of successful dude? its because she needs to begin to be responsible and cant run off at the mouth without consequence.

Lets get it....

Everything you said is true, but at some point.......people need to take responsibility for their own decisions.


Ironically, most people do.


To me, it doesn't matter how someone became a fuck nigga.........just that he is.


By the same token, it doesn't matter to me why a woman chooses to be with a fuck nigga either........just that she did.


Realistically speaking, there's nothing that can be done about any of this unless we impose something similar to what can be found in Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries.........in which women are covered from head-to-toe and can't do anything without the permission of their father, brother, husband, or any other male member of their family.


We know nothing like that is gonna happen over here, so........what's the alternative?


Basically, we can't take responsibility for our neighborhoods unless we control our neighborhoods.


Without the power to control our neighborhoods, it's up to each individual to make responsible decisions.

 

[DOS_patos]

you can't tell these women shit though

and whos fault is that?

either she was raised by a weak ass nigga or a bitter ass mother because of some nigga who didnt respect her enough to be a father to the child he made

 

[DOS_patos]

Everything you said is true, but at some point.......people need to take responsibility for their own decisions.


Ironically, most people do.


To me, it doesn't matter how someone became a fuck nigga.........just that he is.


By the same token, it doesn't matter to me why a woman chooses to be with a fuck nigga either........just that she did.


Realistically speaking, there's nothing that can be done about any of this unless we impose something similar to what can be found in Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries.........in which women are covered from head-to-toe and can't do anything without the permission of their father, brother, husband, or any other male member of their family.


We know nothing like that is gonna happen over here, so........what's the alternative?


Basically, we can't take responsibility for our neighborhoods unless we control our neighborhoods.


Without the power to control our neighborhoods, it's up to each individual to make responsible decisions.

and who should lead the charge to take care of our neighborhoods?

are the men going to be out front?

or will the men follow behind the women?

 

[Meeks]

I really don’t think she understands how dumb she sounds, lol.

 

[The Mad Titan]

and whos fault is that?

either she was raised by a weak ass nigga or a bitter ass mother because of some nigga who didnt respect her enough to be a father to the child he made

See naw, I got a problem with this.

Everything can't just be oh it's the mans fault. We all have the power to make our own choices. With that people will fuck up and when they do, they should be held accountable for their own part. After which, hopefully a lesson is learned and we all move forward.

And again, this ain't about finger pointing, it's plenty fault on both sides, which is why again I say it took both to fuck everything up and will take both to fix it.

I'm not going to take the blame for bad choices grown ass men and women make. What sense does that make? So now people want to be grown and not be held accountable for the shit they do? I know that's not what you're saying but it's the general sentiment of others. It happens everytime these threads come up. Some men say its womens fault, women and some men say its mens fault while few are on middle ground. Shit always gotta be one extreme or the other.

It's all good to call black men out. Rip them up from top to bottom. And you know what, when we deserve the criticism, then it is what it is. We gotta eat that and do better. I'm with that.

What I ain't with, is when the convo turns to what our sistas need to do better, oh it's all on black men. Naw, you can't have it both ways. To say it's all our fault is actually an insult to our black women, as if they don't know any better. Like how some dudes refer to them as "tall children"

 

[The Mad Titan]

And for the record, I'm raising 3 daughters and 2 sons. I instill in each of them that they are responsible for the choices they make. No one else.

I refuse to tell my girls that if a ain't shit nigga gets them pregnant and disappears, it's all his fault. I ain't setting them up for victimhood.

Likewise, I don't my 16 son that he should be out chasin broads. I have regular conversations about respect and manhood with him. It is imperative to me that he does not make the mistake of planting his seed in bad soil.

 

[DOS_patos]

See naw, I got a problem with this.

Everything can't just be oh it's the mans fault. We all have the power to make our own choices. With that people will fuck up and when they do, they should be held accountable for their own part. After which, hopefully a lesson is learned and we all move forward.

And again, this ain't about finger pointing, it's plenty fault on both sides, which is why again I say it took both to fuck everything up and will take both to fix it.

I'm not going to take the blame for bad choices grown ass men and women make. What sense does that make? So now people want to be grown and not be held accountable for the shit they do? I know that's not what you're saying but it's the general sentiment of others. It happens everytime these threads come up. Some men say its womens fault, women and some men say its mens fault while few are on middle ground. Shit always gotta be one extreme or the other.

It's all good to call black men out. Rip them up from top to bottom. And you know what, when we deserve the criticism, then it is what it is. We gotta eat that and do better. I'm with that.

What I ain't with, is when the convo turns to what our sistas need to do better, oh it's all on black men. Naw, you can't have it both ways. To say it's all our fault is actually an insult to our black women, as if they don't know any better. Like how some dudes refer to them as "tall children"

i get what you saying.....but it has to start somewhere...

being the man i am...i will not wait for a bitter woman to start anything.

I will step up and step out to ask my brethren to do better and in turn we will require woman to do better.

it has to start at some point. with all the finger pointing.....i will be me....a man and step up.

and if i am wrong in the process...i made a legit attempt. i will swallow that L.

but i made an attempt

 

[Allergens]

She spoke a lot of facts, but I think the title of “destroying the community” is too much to lay at the feet of black women. Because of that, she will be listened to but not heard.

 

[DOS_patos]

And for the record, I'm raising 3 daughters and 2 sons. I instill in each of them that they are responsible for the choices they make. No one else.

I refuse to tell my girls that if a ain't shit nigga gets them pregnant and disappears, it's all his fault. I ain't setting them up for victimhood.

Likewise, I don't my 16 son that he should be out chasin broads. I have regular conversations about respect and manhood with him. It is imperative to me that he does not make the mistake of planting his seed in bad soil.

i have no problem with this....

but how many people set up the victim type shit?

 

[konceptjones]

and whos fault is that?

either she was raised by a weak ass nigga or a bitter ass mother because of some nigga who didnt respect her enough to be a father to the child he made

That's all a gross oversimplification.

Case in point: a chick I'm related to by marriage: She has one son by a cat that, from what I understand, is a stand-up dude. He's tried to be in his son's life, even going so far as to take her to court over it but the judges always side with her. Her beef? She still want's a relationship with him and he's not taking any more of her bullshit which is why they're no longer together. She used her son as a pawn to get back at him for their break-up, and even then treated the son like shit because he looks like his dad. When he was 12, she forced him to change his name from the name his father gave him to the same name as her father out of spite. Lil dude is in his early 20's now and from what I've heard he's kind of a trainwreck because of his mother. He never had a real father because of her 'cause he was only able to spend very limited amounts of time with his dad. She mentally abused the kid and some of the shit she used to do was just plain fucked up (i.e. She would make him cold cut sandwiches for dinner while she cooked up steak and shit for whatever new man was in her life or how he watched her shower her boyfriends with gifts and trips to restaurants and shit for their birthdays but he sat at home watching tv and baked a cake for himself on his birthday). He remembers all of that and he keeps trying to find a woman that will treat him better than his mother did but so far he's come up empty.

This ain't got shit to do with a nigga that didn't want to be a father, he did. This has everything to do with a fucked up ass chick.

My boy I've known since we were 1-2 years old has a daughter by a similar chick. He got tired of her crazy and broke up with her. She used their daughter as a pawn to get back at him because she wanted to be with him. She used every trick in the book to get the judges to side with her on everything and, as such, a daughter grew up with her father barely in her life. Not because he didn't want to be there, but because her mother was a vindictive bitch and intentionally prevented him from being there.

Thing is, there's cases like this all over the place. With family courts slanted in favor of the mother to such a high degree it's easy for a mother to keep a child away from their father out of spite. And we all know the shit happens. There's even a term for it: Malicious Mother Syndrome (http://family.findlaw.com/paternity/what-is-malicious-mother-syndrome.html)

 

[DOS_patos]

That's all a gross oversimplification.

Case in point: a chick I'm related to by marriage: She has one son by a cat that, from what I understand, is a stand-up dude. He's tried to be in his son's life, even going so far as to take her to court over it but the judges always side with her. Her beef? She still want's a relationship with him and he's not taking any more of her bullshit which is why they're no longer together. She used her son as a pawn to get back at him for their break-up, and even then treated the son like shit because he looks like his dad. When he was 12, she forced him to change his name from the name his father gave him to the same name as her father out of spite. Lil dude is in his early 20's now and from what I've heard he's kind of a trainwreck because of his mother. He never had a real father because of her 'cause he was only able to spend very limited amounts of time with his dad. She mentally abused the kid and some of the shit she used to do was just plain fucked up (i.e. She would make him cold cut sandwiches for dinner while she cooked up steak and shit for whatever new man was in her life or how he watched her shower her boyfriends with gifts and trips to restaurants and shit for their birthdays but he sat at home watching tv and baked a cake for himself on his birthday). He remembers all of that and he keeps trying to find a woman that will treat him better than his mother did but so far he's come up empty.

This ain't got shit to do with a nigga that didn't want to be a father, he did. This has everything to do with a fucked up ass chick.

My boy I've known since we were 1-2 years old has a daughter by a similar chick. He got tired of her crazy and broke up with her. She used their daughter as a pawn to get back at him because she wanted to be with him. She used every trick in the book to get the judges to side with her on everything and, as such, a daughter grew up with her father barely in her life. Not because he didn't want to be there, but because her mother was a vindictive bitch and intentionally prevented him from being there.

Thing is, there's cases like this all over the place. With family courts slanted in favor of the mother to such a high degree it's easy for a mother to keep a child away from their father out of spite. And we all know the shit happens. There's even a term for it: Malicious Mother Syndrome (http://family.findlaw.com/paternity/what-is-malicious-mother-syndrome.html)

you missed the point.....

the chick that is doing this...,,.,,where is her dad? this aint about your homie...this is about the nigga who didnt teach his daughter to not do fuck shit. maybe he tried...i dunno. but if a chick will do dumb shit like this then she dont know what a dad is.

and trust me......i totally understand family court.. more than most people.

 

[konceptjones]

you missed the point.....

the chick that is doing this...,,.,,where is her dad? this aint about your homie...this is about the nigga who didnt teach his daughter to not do fuck shit. maybe he tried...i dunno. but if a chick will do dumb shit like this then she dont know what a dad is.

and trust me......i totally understand family court.. more than most people.

Her dad was in her life. He died when she was 17 or 18, but he was there up to that point even after her folks divorced he was always there. I've talked to her brothers and they all talk about is how their dad fawned over her so much.

Every case like this doesn't start with a man. You gotta stop that line of thinking just like we can't say that kids that go wrong must come from broken homes or shit like that. Kids are individuals. You can raise them in the best environments, give them a great life and all that shit but there's always that ONE kid in the family that goes left. Not because of the mother or father, but because that's just who the kid is. Same thing here, you can have an attentive, nurturing mother and father and that daughter will get out of the house and go fuckin nuts. I've dated those types. I've met strippers that came from excellent environments that went to good schools and alladat. One chick I dated off and on for a couple of years was like that: She went to a private school in Detroit (Benedictine), had borderline Cosby-ish parents, excelled in school and went to U of M for law. When I met her she was swinging on the pole at Deja Vu near EMU's campus (where I went to school). She wanted extra money, that's how she got it. Nothing in her upbringing indicated she would be the type that would end up as a stripper, but there she was with her titties in my face.

We are not always the reason our children go astray. We are not always the reason for their issues in life. Sometimes the shit happens because of the choices they make despite our best efforts as parents. We influence them the best we can but that doesn't guarantee anything.

 

[DOS_patos]

Her dad was in her life. He died when she was 17 or 18, but he was there up to that point even after her folks divorced he was always there. I've talked to her brothers and they all talk about is how their dad fawned over her so much.

Every case like this doesn't start with a man. You gotta stop that line of thinking just like we can't say that kids that go wrong must come from broken homes or shit like that. Kids are individuals. You can raise them in the best environments, give them a great life and all that shit but there's always that ONE kid in the family that goes left. Not because of the mother or father, but because that's just who the kid is. Same thing here, you can have an attentive, nurturing mother and father and that daughter will get out of the house and go fuckin nuts. I've dated those types. I've met strippers that came from excellent environments that went to good schools and alladat. One chick I dated off and on for a couple of years was like that: She went to a private school in Detroit (Benedictine), had borderline Cosby-ish parents, excelled in school and went to U of M for law. When I met her she was swinging on the pole at Deja Vu near EMU's campus (where I went to school). She wanted extra money, that's how she got it. Nothing in her upbringing indicated she would be the type that would end up as a stripper, but there she was with her titties in my face.

We are not always the reason our children go astray. We are not always the reason for their issues in life. Sometimes the shit happens because of the choices they make despite our best efforts as parents. We influence them the best we can but that doesn't guarantee anything.

you right

you right....

i can admit when i am wrong.

but i will ask why doesnt her brothers step to her?

im just saying....we gotta correct our own shit.
we can allow people to do fuck shit and turn away from it because its a poison in the water system.

the hit will effect all of us

 

[konceptjones]

you right

you right....

i can admit when i am wrong.

but i will ask why doesnt her brothers step to her?

im just saying....we gotta correct our own shit.
we can allow people to do fuck shit and turn away from it because its a poison in the water system.

the hit will effect all of us

They tried. The brother she was closest to was murdered back in '05 though and the two oldest brothers had their own families to attend to as well. She had this thing for chasing men around the country so she wasn't around them physically that much after her son was born. Shit, I met her in 97 in Michigan, she moved there following some dude. A year later she was living in Vegas. She lived in San Antonio for the longest though but she moved there chasing some dude that was trying to get away from her ass. Her family can only do so much when she's not near them.

 

[The Mad Titan]

you right

you right....

i can admit when i am wrong.

but i will ask why doesnt her brothers step to her?

im just saying....we gotta correct our own shit.
we can allow people to do fuck shit and turn away from it because its a poison in the water system.

the hit will effect all of us

Maybe her brothers did and she still did what she wanted.

Thats all I am saying at the end of the day that people are going to do what they choose. Im such case the outcome is all on them.

Im with you on the man up shit. All the way. But it still require input and cooperation from our sistas. Thats the downside to these threads. Its usually not much input from the sistas probably due to not wanting to hear what could be construed as tearing down. I get that.

Im just of the belief that Im going to keep being the standup take charge dude I always been. But I also know my sistas have some things to sort out too.

As strong as I am having a beautiful black woman by my side has elevated me. I do my damnest to do the same for her

And thats what I wanna see for our community overall. Black men and women working this shit out together.