The official COVID-19/Coronavirus Discussion Thread...aka I hope I don't get the Rona

[ChicagoFigure]

To be more precise, most of those articles are saying that the immunity is longer lasting not so much that it is more effective at screening for infection. I just scanned them quickly, but it doesn't see any of the articles go into depth about the severity of the reactions during infection. I mean, I think one did, but it didn't really provide any numbers for that point. If the vaxxed reaction is still superior then that would be reason for getting vaxxed even after having the disease.

Okay, if u hold by this so strongly show me that prior infected people are seeing hospitals at a significantly greater rate than fully vaxxed. I HIGHLY doubt u can.

Your point is taken though. There's reason to excuse people who have had the disease from being mandated to get a vaccine.

Respect

I came at you about what? I said were oversimplifying. In that particular post, you were. Even now, you're providing decent evidence for the fact that there may be reason to have certain exceptions to vaccine mandates, but none of this is proof that the government shouldn't have pushed strongly for vaccinating the populace.

Still disagree. With vaccines we were promised normality. Then they upped the necessary vax rate to achieve normality. Then they upped it again. Nothing is normal right now.

Agree to disagree.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Okay, if u hold by this so strongly show me that prior infected people are seeing hospitals at a significantly greater rate than fully vaxxed. I HIGHLY doubt u can.


Respect




Still disagree. With vaccines we were promised normality. Then they upped the necessary vax rate to achieve normality. Then they upped it again. Nothing is normal right now.

Agree to disagree.

I didn't say I could. I don't know one way or the other. We do know that the majority of people who are admitted to hospitals are unvaxxed though, and that is reason enough to err on the side of vaccinations, at least until there is proof that prior infection is just as good at keeping you out of the hospital when infected again as vaccinations.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

I didn't say I could. I don't know one way or the other. We do know that the majority of people who are admitted to hospitals are unvaxxed though, and that is reason enough to err on the side of vaccinations, at least until there is proof that prior infection is just as good at keeping you out of the hospital when infected again as vaccinations.

The proof is already there.

U are conflating unvaxxed folks with unvaxxed with prior infections.

And this ignorance (no offense to u personally) is causing the stupid to call others stupid

 

[ChicagoFigure]

Inb4 the ass hats come in to tell the thread why they don't engage their shitty, uneducated opinions with the rest of us.

Thanks for doing us the favor

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The proof is already there.

U are conflating unvaxxed folks with unvaxxed with prior infections.

And this ignorance (no offense to u personally) is causing the stupid to call others stupid

I'm not conflating anything. I said the numbers are there for unvaxxed. I haven't seen anything that distinguishes between unvaxxed and unvaxxed with prior infections when it comes to U.S. hospital numbers. You say the proof is already then, then show those numbers. You seem to have a thumb on the data.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

I'm not conflating anything. I said the numbers are there for unvaxxed. I haven't seen anything that distinguishes between unvaxxed and unvaxxed with prior infections when it comes to U.S. hospital numbers. You say the proof is already then, then show those numbers. You seem to have a thumb on the data.

Bruh I already posted a source to u look up the study in Qatar than involved tens of thousands.

Don't ignore studies then ask for more when u can't refute anything.

U smarter than this. The question is why didn't u even think to distinguish the unvaxxed/non infected to the unvaxxed/prior infection.

Your bias had already set in.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Bruh I already posted a source to u look up the study in Qatar than involved tens of thousands.

Don't ignore studies then ask for more when u can't refute anything.

U smarter than this. The question is why didn't u even think to distinguish the unvaxxed/non infected to the unvaxxed/prior infection.

Your bias had already set in.

That paper states that the data is made up from alpha and beta variant infections. They also say in that very paper that all the data was collected in Qatar and that there is no evidence that the same findings would occur anywhere else.

So basically, that paper has absolutely nothing to do with what I just asked you for which was data about the current wave of hospitalized people in America and their status as vaxxed, unvaxxed, or unvaxxed with previous infection.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

That paper states that the data is made up from alpha and beta variant infections. They also say in that very paper that all the data was collected in Qatar and that there is no evidence that the same findings would occur anywhere else.

So basically, that paper has absolutely nothing to do with what I just asked you for which was data about the current wave of hospitalized people and their status as vaxxed, unvaxxed, or unvaxxed with previous infection.

Beta is known to be deadlier than the original strain

Alpha is known to be more deadlier or cause severe reactions more than any other variant thus far up to the current VOC Omicron

So if natural immunity proves to protect with those variants in terms of severity then........



U haven't shown a single study.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

That paper states that the data is made up from alpha and beta variant infections. They also say in that very paper that all the data was collected in Qatar and that there is no evidence that the same findings would occur anywhere else.

Effectiveness of prior infection in preventing reinfection with Omicron and other SARS-CoV-2 variants in Qatar

Researchers estimate the effectiveness of prior infection in preventing reinfection (PEs) with Omicron and other SARS-CoV-2 variants for the resident population of Qatar.

www.google.com

Keep shooting em down while not proving your own case

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Beta is known to be deadlier than the original strain

Alpha is known to be more deadlier or cause severe reactions more than any other variant thus far up to the current VOC Omicron

So if natural immunity proves to protect with those variants in terms of severity then........



U haven't shown a single study.

Ok, but the majority of the people in the hostpital now are there because of the Delta and Omicron strains. The Alpha strain might be deadlier that doesn't mean you can just apply a study based on one set of data to completely different data set.

And so what if I haven't provided a study. Have you forgotten the line of this discussion. You said that there was no point in requiring vaccination for people who have had the disease. The burden of proof is on you to support that claim not me. All I did was point out the majority of people hospitalized in the U.S. for COVID are unvaxxed. You said that I have to distinguish between unvaxxed and unvzxxed with prior infection. Ok, show that data.

I'm not trying to be difficult, but you feel strongly that the way everything is behind handled is bad across the board. You've provided some good reasoning for some of your opinions, but it's not on me to make or break your claims.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Effectiveness of prior infection in preventing reinfection with Omicron and other SARS-CoV-2 variants in Qatar

Researchers estimate the effectiveness of prior infection in preventing reinfection (PEs) with Omicron and other SARS-CoV-2 variants for the resident population of Qatar.

www.google.com

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Keep shooting em down while not proving your own case

lol Stop being a cornball. I have no case to prove because I'm not making claims. You are. But this is good data and what I asked for, so thanks.

 

[DOS_patos]

 

[ChicagoFigure]

lol Stop being a cornball. I have no case to prove because I'm not making claims. You are. But this is good data and what I asked for, so thanks.

Insult aside appreciate the dialogue

Some of these mfs in here are robots

 

[DOS_patos]

I think people that are in hospitals happen to have COVID but are there for other shit

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Insult aside appreciate the dialogue

Some of these mfs in here are robots

It's all good. Even if I disagree with some of your stance on vaxxing, you've done your homework, so I can't accuse you of acting out of ignorance. That's what matters.

 

[ChicagoFigure]

I think people that are in hospitals happen to have COVID but are there for other shit

It's exactly what happened with the misreporting if the omicron reinfection death.

But was happening long before that. The data been anything but thorough for a minute now.

 

[Rubato]

 

[DOS_patos]

Shit we two years in. Now they merge?

that’s like having yellow herpes or herplow

 

[The Lonious Monk]

New statistics show that more than 40 percent of the state’s hospitalized coronavirus-infected patients were admitted for “non-COVID reasons” — with the ratio in New York City “about 50-50,” Gov. Kathy Hochul said Friday.

On Thursday, the state Health Department refused to release its calculations on the issue, saying officials needed time to “ensure consistency and data integrity.”

Also during Hochul’s news conference, Dr. Steven Corwin, CEO of the New York-Presbyterian healthcare network, said there were “about 1,200 cases in our hospital system,” of whom “about 50 percent are admitted with COVID and 50 percent admitted for COVID.”

“Fifty percent are unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, and 50 percent have two doses of the vaccine,” but he didn’t specify which among them were admitted for symptoms of COVID-19.

He also said there was “thankfully, very little in the way of children being admitted, which we hope will continue” and said those cases were also divided “50 percent with COVID, 50 percent for COVID.”



in the same article the Gov of NY said this

“And let’s look at upstate, Central New York, places like that, where 79 percent are admitted due to real COVID — that they’re sick enough from COVID that they have to be hospitalized — vs. 21 percent who happen to be there for another reason and test positive.

Over 40% of NYC’s COVID-infected hospital patients admitted for other reasons

New statistics show that more than 40% of the state’s hospitalized coronavirus-infected patients were admitted for “non-COVID reasons,” Governor Kathy Hochul said.

nypost.com

We got a CEO of hospitals saying people sick from Covid in his hospitals are 50% vaccinated and 50% unvaccinated.

We have a government agency refusing to release the same information AFTER being ordered to.

A governor saying 40% of patients

Let's not do that bro. I can hunt and peck for anecdotes too. @ChicagoFigure provided actual studies. We can let that be the standard of proof and leave it at that.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

As long as it’s understood that you’re wrong.

Ok, if you believe that posting a disputed claim about improper reporting of numbers in NYC proves that I'm wrong, you probably want to sit this one out chief.