Gray Matter
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This is why you can't just jump to conclusions when you see a brother with a non-black woman.
"You Can't Date White Women and Be Pro Black", but I bet you'll smash Candace Owens though.
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The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
That's kinda the point being made. They know who to invest in and they put that time in early instead of waiting til the black guy makes it.
I think some people are getting it twisted and thinking that Umar and others who express that sentiment are saying white chicks are more noble than black chicks in how they approach men. That's not it. White women are just better at latching on at a point where it looks like they aren't just gold diggers. It's not just with athletes either. White chicks in college will see a black dude doing well in a major that could be profitable and approach him. I can't say I've seen a lot of black women do that. I've actually had black chicks admit to me that they knew some dudes would go places one day, but they weren't really interested until that guy started making the money.
This doesn't change my mind on anything
He didn't go to school with no black girls?
Tayboo
There she go🥰
I agree that's why I said a few post back that Black women are taught to focus more on school vs white women who are taught to find their husband while getting that degree.
You're talking about women who go to school to get a "Mrs" degree. And they do that with men of all races not just Black men. The issue people take with what Umar says isn't that are somehow more noble. It's one, pushing the false narrative of just how many Black men marry outside their race. And 2 the idea that somehow Black women won't date a certain type of Black man which isn't true especially if you've been on a college campus or actually know Black people in general. The shit hes saying just doesn't match up with actual reality. It's the same bullshit those stupid ass divestors preach.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
I'm definitely not one to defend Umar, and maybe I didn't listen closely enough to what he said. You keep on accusing him of pushing a false narrative about how many black men marry outside of his race. I didn't hear them doing that. I heard him trying to explain why some high earning black men are married outside of their race. I also don't think he was saying that black women don't data black men on the rise. He's talking about a pretty specific set of black men and women.
Again, I didn't really may much attention to the grifter so maybe I missed something, but it seems to be you're trying to apply his comments more widely than he means them. Of course, there are black women out there dating black men at every stage. That doesn't change the fact that there are some black men who get a bag and feel like they were overlooked by black women on the rise and didn't get any attention until they achieved success. I'm not sure why you want to ignore those guys' experiences.
Im not ignoring their experiences. Its just not the majority for one so when people speak as if it is that's a gross misrepresentation. There's also a level of delusion there you can spot if you them dudes talk long enough. But that's the undertone of the successful Black man and who they date/marry convo.
And two some of those issues those dudes have are more their view of white women being deemed better and not as much "no Black girl dated me in high school." So they was gonna date a white girl whether they made $30/hr or 300k/ year.
And to quote Umar himself on this subject "You ain't about to convince me that if Black girls called you ugly that white women called you handsome."
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
lol @ you saying you're not ignoring their experiences and then following it up with little slick shit to suggest their experiences aren't real. Again, I didn't see where anyone said any of this applies to a majority of black men. This conversation revolves around a very small subset of black men. It always has.
Believe what you want bro, but it sounds like you're making up your own reasoning for why those dudes do what they do rather than accepting what they say.
I can tell you from my own experience white women operate differently. I went to a PWI for grad school. The black chicks at the school were knowingly sharing dudes because they rather double up on some athlete nigga that pursued them than go after a dude in a STEM field. White women don't operate like that. Whether athlete or engineer, they will actually chase dudes they want. If you a nerd nigga that experienced mixed results with black women all of your life, and then all of a sudden get put in a position where white women are throwing it at you, it's going to affect your perception.
I went to a PWI for undergrad. It was 87% white when I was there. So I've seen how they move too. The clip was shared because of the topic of a Black athlete proposing to his white gf. So yes that was the undertone of the conversation. And it often is whenever the topic of "Why do Black men who are successful date non Black women". While it may be a subset of Black men who fit that definition of financial success it's often spoken as if the majority of that subset specifically pursues non Black women as some spite to them and that's just not true. And for it to be explained under the guise of "Black women didn't want me" is going to always being mainly bullshit.
Im not making up my own reasoning. I literally said if you let them dudes talk you'll hear them tell you their reasons. And i said there's a level of delusion because their reasoning often revolves around a level of social awkwardness and nothing to do with them being Black men as some will say. And your example even cosigns that perception can distort reality.
Gray Matter
Active Member
I'm not pro-IR generally speaking, but I believe that the issue should be approached with nuance.
A brother who falls in love with a life long, childhood friend is not the same as a brother who gets some money and says, "I'm gonna go get me a white girl now."
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Gray Matter
Active Member
Not this again. I explained in one of the other threads why this (the bolded) is BS.
In short, colorism exists.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
Yeah, but social awkwardness isn't the problem. Half the niggas in the NBA are socially awkward lames, yet they have some of the baddest black chicks in the world chasing them down. That's the point. The nerd niggas are the same dudes before they get the degree and money as they are after they get the degree and money. After they get successful, they ain't trying to hear anything from the women that shitted on them before they got successful. They are more open to being with the ones that pursued them while they were pursuing that success. The reality is that a lot of the time, that happens to be white chicks because they don't mind chasing who they want.
Them white chicks is sharing dudes too. Ain't like they out there with a road map. And the fact is that if you're Black then you're still very much more likely to have had the majority of your interactions with Black people. So if you're an athlete then yes it would make sense that if you had an issue with women then it would be Black women. It's not just them white women going after who they want. It's the dudes themselves making themselves open to it because in their minds the 1st women to turn them down were Black women. I get the thought process behind it. I just disagree that it somehow means Black women are less likely to want to get with somebody before they got something because reality literally disproves that. Because lets keep it a buck...alot of niggas wouldnt even exist if that was the case cuz their Daddy ain't have shit when they met their Momma. When people entertain the idea that Black women ain't the type to be with somebody because of their status or lack there of....I will push back on that because reality disproves that every day.
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
We're not that far from each other. I don't really agree that black women won't give black men on the come up a chance. It's all about perception.
I think where we disagree is that I believe you downplaying the difference in how different women operate. Again, things might be different now. When I was dating, as a rule, black women did not believe in approaching men. They thought that was the man's role. White women didn't feel that way. That can make a big difference, and it would definitely give off the impression that white women are more interested in those guys that the black women.
GNS
OG
Facts. Even when they do ask they won't admit it, as I've found out in the past.
I'm not downplaying the difference. At least not intentionally. It's also about people's experiences because throughout my life I never had an issue with women approaching me if they were interested and I'm not really the most open or approachable person. Especially if I don't already know you.
It also boils down to the type of women a man is trying to attract. And thats what I meant by some of these men having a bit of delusion. If you're trying to attract a certain type of woman, regardless of race, then there's certain things you need to do or have a certain self awareness to know that maybe that type of woman ain't it for you. Problem is some of these dudes just get a white version of a woman they want and equate the now success with the woman's race instead of the myriad of other factors that also lead to attraction, interaction etc....
The Lonious Monk
Celestial Souljah
I can agree with the bold, but that's where perception comes in. We're basically saying the same thing from different sides.
Also, let's acknowledge that there is a difference between a black man who winds up marrying a white chick and a black man who prefers white chicks. Not all of the former are also the latter. I think that's something that's getting confused here. A dude could have one good experience with a white chick that turns into a long-term relationship. That doesn't all of a sudden mean he thinks all white chicks are better than all black chicks. Hell, a lot of the time them dudes be telling themselves that they found the one good white chick.
Oh there's definitely a difference in those two and I've come across a few. Usually those the niggas who i say are the only Black people in a group pic. And yeah we're not that far off. Like I said from jump my main issue with what Umar, and others who take that pov, say when it comes to this topic is they grossly overexaggerrate just how many Black men in a certain tax bracket date white women. And their reasoning for it often reeks of them just being lames as opposed to an actual issue with the woman's they wanted.
Don't befriend white people
