FEATURED Why does the black community hate on its successful members so much?
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OnlyBuilt4CubanLinx
Allah Sent Me
Because we don’t think we can do nothing on our own, without selling our souls or say, this person only got that because of this . It’s like in our heads, we know we are the it race and the cream of the crop but when we see it happening we just don’t believe it. I always said that I don’t think Black people will really ever come together and work together and be free until they hear a white person say it’s ok to do it.
ImaInfluenza
Who do you think you are? I am
Because losers don’t know what it takes to win. To losers, what it takes to win looks like submission, only winners know, that winning takes sacrifice. And that those aren’t two of the same thing.
ImaInfluenza
Who do you think you are? I am
All of these ex athletes with pods that should have been more successful given their skills and attributes. Listen to the stories they tell of them in their prime.
And then the ex athletes that exceeded expectations that have platforms, listen to the stories they tell of their prime. You’ll notice a theme.
And then the ex athletes that exceeded expectations that have platforms, listen to the stories they tell of their prime. You’ll notice a theme.
Loneshot
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I bet it's an American thing more than a Black thing. It's just easier to notice black on black hate when hate is all you expect towards black people. Even non-white people expect other non-white people to have some sort of reservations towards Black people. Black hate is cultural as much as it is systemic at this point.
Racism is not an exclusively American idea, though we do it with such a style that racism has become a facet of success. Turn your nose up, hate a nigga, feel triumphant.
Racism is not an exclusively American idea, though we do it with such a style that racism has become a facet of success. Turn your nose up, hate a nigga, feel triumphant.
Bow to Royalty
Just facts
But I don't feel like I see white people doing as much of this specific type of hate towards black people. They're much less interested in judging a black comedic actor for wearing a dress. I hear much less from them about Shannon Sharpe being gay. And the same people the black community may call corny/sellout white people have no problem with. Shit, those terms are often directed at black people that white people seem super comfortable around.
Have you ever thought about it like this:
Black people in America are dominated by White people with money.
Black celebrities are paid by White people with money.
Black celebrities are put on pedestal and given an informal political dominance over Black people only because they have money and fame.
Lol, money and fame is why politicians go sit down and talk to Charlamagne about the plight of Black people and not a fucking economist or a sociologist that specialize in wealth to address our issues.
We know these celebrities are stooges and stooges get mocked.
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Loneshot
Active Member
Capitalism and racism are at the least, two of the foundations of the U.S. The only reason we probably aren't pure capitalists (or free) is because of that racist foundation. This requires that the government systematically uphold and provide advantages in favor of the dominant group. Though because we are capitalists, that means other people can buy into the dominant's group success; not be apart of it, but buy into it, like stock I guess. Fast forward that sentiment over time, between the hundreds of years of systemic advantages and shaping what success looks like (and does NOT look like)...you don't need white people to say anything racist ever again for racism to still be able to thrive. Since its embedded, all of the non-White people believe that success has a lot to do with buying into Whiteness, including the cultural tradition of hating black and anything challenging White hegemony/supremacy.
Bow to Royalty
Just facts
But even winners do it. Katt Williams has done very well, but he's still doing this illuminati and dress wearing stuff. Mike Epps and Eddie Griffin have done well, but they're still calling Shannon Sharpe gay.
That sounds crab-in-a-buckety. If all of us are doing the best we can, and living under the white man's dollar why shit on the people that reach a high level of success in the system? Why do high levels of success make them a stooges?
The Breakfast Club isn't where people should be going for financial advice. It's a morning radio show providing entertainment, and chasing ratings. Charlamagne's up there sniffing bitch's chairs after they play Throat Baby. So ya, bringing an economist up there isn't very on brand. They entertain more than educate. Educational platforms will have on economists.
Bow to Royalty
Just facts
I know right? I've only heard white people say shit like "crabs in a bucket". The other people that have noticed this, and commented on why it happens are my aliases.
Who are the disliked coons I've used for examples?
This is some ignorant (and common) shit that holds us back. A black person pointing out shit we as a people need to work on in regards to how we treat each other (like tearing each other down for no reason but being successful), is seen as coon-ish?
Mature a bit, and open up to self reflection and growth instead of attacking it.
There is a weird sort of "they must have done something compromising" attitude around the success of Black people from some. The thing is, and this came up in another thread about gangster culture, is that this shit is not exclusive to Black people. It just seems bigger because by the numbers there's fewer Black success stories on the scale we're talking about but the same questioning if someone compromised their ethics or morals for success exists across all groups. And it usually boils down to people underestimating themselves so they project that onto others. They think if they couldn't be successful due to whatever obstacles then the only way anybody else could do it is to do some foul shit.
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
Honestly, I only think that applies to Black celebrities... Entertainers and sports figures. Black businessmen/women really don't get that put on them. Years ago, maybe '91 or '92, there was an article in The Source celebrating a cat from Detroit that became a millionaire basically just cutting hair and properly investing his money. When "The Internet" first really popped, there were plenty of stories of Black entrepreneurs that started businesses in web design, some were still high school teenagers. Lots of success stories about Black owned businesses across all sectors but only the entertainers and, to a lesser degree, sports figures get that "he/she had to do XYZ negative thing to get there".
LurkerSix
OG
Reread what I said again, maybe this time you wont be in your feelings and you'll see I wasnt talking about you. I was talking about what they do on reddit/twitter
Every community has people that hate for no reason, but some how people love acting like its huge epidemic, only in the black community & thats whats holding us back. Thats nonsense and largely a distraction to shift the blame from other factors thats really hurting us.
Black people in America are not a monolithic group & we need to stop acting like/letting people treat us like we're one
Bow to Royalty
Just facts
Good post. I think one difference to me, and maybe my perception is wrong, is that the negativity also comes from their peers. Like Corey Holcomb is a successful comedian... not super star level, but accomplished. He stays accusing people of being gay and doing things to get ahead. And Katt is very successful, but still is accusing people of being illuminati and judging comedians wearing a dress.
Bow to Royalty
Just facts
I think it is mostly towards celebrities, but I'm not sure if that's the reason. I'm speaking for myself, but athletes/ celebrities (or people within those industries) make up most of the very wealthy black people I can name. And we can't speak on who we don't know. Like I'm sure there are black people doing well in pharmaceuticals, but I don't know them, and I can't speak on who I don't know.
So ya, we don't hear people bashing Kenneth Frazier, the CEO of Merck (I looked it up after writing that last paragraph), but is it because his profession gives him a pass? Or because people don't know who he is?
konceptjones
The one between three and three.
That last sentence is part of it, but the rumors surrounding the entertainment industry on a whole is the rest of it. We been hearing murmurs about wild shit that happens in Hollyweird and the recording industry for decades and some of it has been found to have been true in the last 10-15 years or so. That's going to get applied to everyone that works in the entertainment industry so it's a natural for folks to side-eye a wildly successful Black entertainer and question how they got to such a status as opposed to someone that works their way up through the ranks of a company to make CEO. Those same rumors simply don't exist in corporate America like that. I mean sure there's prolly talk of penthouse coke and alcohol fueled parties with strippers and escorts on Wall Street, but that's probably it.
Bow to Royalty
Just facts
Re-read it. Still sounds like a shot, but if you say it wasn't I'll take you at your word.
And I didn't say it was THE thing holding us back, but I think it's an issue. I still don't think other races flock to it like we do. For example Orlando Brown, Kanye, Antonio Brown, and (imo to a lesser degree) Katt Williams have mental issues. So why are we still inviting them on larger platforms to make outlandish negative claims about other black people? Because it gets lots of views for shows that target a black audience.
I could just be missing it, but I don't see white, Asian, Hispanic, etc folks doing the same.
I'm not being funny... I'm really asking... can you think of examples in other races? Who's another race's Orlando Brown?
Because people dont know who he is. It's very few industries and professions where a Black person rising up the ranks isn't met with some accusation of doing something shady, foul or immoral
LurkerSix
OG
Those are podcast interviews, which are mainly for entertainment & I see nothing wrong with not pretending to like or get a long with another celebritiy, even if you're from the same ethnic group.
The only reason you see that as effecting black community more is because in America, too many black people worship entertainers and or anyone the perceive as having a lot of money. Thats why anytime they try to have some sorta workshop or panel, they almost always have to throw in some famous person to hopefully get more people to actually tune in. This is why you have people like TI & other entertainer sitting on panels, because for some reason our people think theyre smart at everything because they made money entertaining. Look how fast yall listening to Jay-Z and decided you're past kneeling and ran back to the NFL just to see halftime shows.
When Aaron Carter was alive he would give wild interviews all the time accusing people of shit, while looking like a junkie just like Orlando Brown. If you tune into podcasts from real working comedians, they've been talking shit about each other and people in Hollywood for years. Especially the white comedians. Ive seen whole podcast beefs over shit thats been said on their shows about another comedian being a thief or a bitch, thats why its funny when some black comedians act like Katt Williams did something thats never done before. That shit happens all the time.
You forgetting the whole Carlos Mencia drama from back in the day? The reason it got as big as it did was because someone uploaded Rogan confronting him on it to the internet and more and more comedians came out to confirm him being a joke thief.