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Usher to T-Pain: You f*cked up music

i understand it being unpleasant...especially coming from someone with real stature...

but if peers cant critique peers , who tf can? white people and they media minions? the internet peanut gallery?

not sure where the "disrespect " comes into play...he ain't call that man out his name or run to vlad tv or some goofy shit yall being extra
 
i understand it being unpleasant...especially coming from someone with real stature...

but if peers cant critique peers , who tf can? white people and they media minions? the internet peanut gallery?

not sure where the "disrespect " comes into play...he ain't call that man out his name or run to vlad tv or some goofy shit yall being extra
thats not a critique

he was solely blaming him for the direction music had taken at that point

sound like some salty shit to me
 
i understand it being unpleasant...especially coming from someone with real stature...

but if peers cant critique peers , who tf can? white people and they media minions? the internet peanut gallery?

not sure where the "disrespect " comes into play...he ain't call that man out his name or run to vlad tv or some goofy shit yall being extra

"I'm not feelin' this album" or "you could do better than that last single" are very very different to what Usher said
 
thats not a critique

he was solely blaming him for the direction music had taken at that point

sound like some salty shit to me

i couldn't pick all that up from that snippet

but even if he was....while even potentially being salty...that dont add up to disrespect in and of itself
 
That’s just Usher opinion but coming from someone you see as a friend I could see how that could hit a bit heavy like that
 
pain has got writing and producing credits though. he's obviously talented. I don't think usher's done anything outside of his own music.
 
Usher was right though. Drake is the most successful RnB artist of the last ten years. Once the industry found out that you motherfuckers don't care about how vocals sound and that all that matter is a catchy hook, RnB was taken out back and shot in the head.



Nigga said Drake an RnB "artist"...



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The bar has really been set very low in mainstream BLACK music the last 15 years...
 
T-Pain revealed on the recently released Netflix docuseries This is Pop that back in 2013, Usher confronted him on a plane and told T-Pain that he "F***ed up music" with the auto-tune trend he popularized in the early 2000s.

While T-Pain admitted that he realized Usher's comment sent him into a 4-year depression, he clarified on Twitter that telling the story wasn't meant to disrespect Usher. He wrote, "I still love and respect @Usher telling that story was in no way meant to disrespect that man. Ppl talk shit about me 24/7 but when it comes from someone you truly respect it hits very different. I never said f*ck Ursh it was a drop in the ocean of sh*t I was already goin through."

T-Pain then took the time to address people bringing up a tweet from July 2020, where he asked about releasing a collaboration amid unconfirmed rumors at the time that Tory Lanez had shot Megan Thee Stallion. T-Pain explained that he wrote about his collaboration with Tory Lanez before Megan publicly accused Tory of shooting her, and T-Pain added that the project with Tory was shelved when the information came out. You can read his full tweets above.

Original 06/22/2021 9:28am:

During a clip from the upcoming Netflix documentary This Is Pop, T-Pain recalls Usher, who he considered to be his friend, having him woken up on a flight in 2013 to have a conversation.

T-Pain stated, "Usher was my friend. I really respect Usher. And he said, 'I'm gonna tell you something, man. You kinda f***ed up music.'" T-Pain explained that he thought Usher might've been joking, but Usher repeated his claim, telling him, "'Yeah man you really f***ed up music for real singers.' I was like, 'What did I do? I came out and I used Auto-Tune.' He was like, 'Yeah, you f***ed it up.' I'm like, 'But I used it, I didn’t tell everybody else to start using it.'"

While Jay-Z slammed the popularization of auto-tune on The Blueprint 3's "DOA," T-Pain said that Usher's stinging comment was the start of a 4-year depression for him. This Is Pop launches on Netflix today (June 22).
 
I think what Usher said is being misrepresented a little here. His full statement was "You fucked up music for real singers."

That's different than what's implied in the thread title. He didn't accuse T-Pain of ruining music in general. He was saying that T-Pain made it difficult for people that could actually sing because the market would be flooded with people using autotune. From that standpoint, Usher was probably more right.
 
it was still a shitty thing to say imo. T-Pain was just making his music.. like folks have already said it was the labels and the other acts that bit his style flooding the game with shitty autotune songs.. that aint T-Pain fault
 
it was still a shitty thing to say imo. T-Pain was just making his music.. like folks have already said it was the labels and the other acts that bit his style flooding the game with shitty autotune songs.. that aint T-Pain fault

I agree, but it's more reasonable to say he opened the door for that type of thing than to put the whole fall of musical quality on him which is what has largely been discussed in here.
 
I think what Usher said is being misrepresented a little here. His full statement was "You fucked up music for real singers."

That's different than what's implied in the thread title. He didn't accuse T-Pain of ruining music in general. He was saying that T-Pain made it difficult for people that could actually sing because the market would be flooded with people using autotune. From that standpoint, Usher was probably more right.

Hmm

This is a reasonable argument
 
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