COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

It's wild to see how easily people fall for the profiteers of war. Ukraine can't win this, and really I don't give two fucks about that racist country. That short motherfucker Zelensky walking aorund in military garb while never actually ever even serving. People still falling for this shit. Alot of yall would have been cool with Vietnam and the Iraq war. All it takes is a boogeyman

The Iraq and Vietnam wars involved the US invading other countries. Our involvement in the Ukraine war is providing support to an ally who was invaded by a direct adversary. There is absolutely no comparison here.

The US breaking deals and alliances and antagonizing our partners while embracing the propaganda of our historical enemy is not normal or justifiable to most people.
 
China has been playing the long game and the Smart game. They'll play the nice guy, watch US blow all its money on wars, trying to destabilize other countries and being Israels bitch.

Meanwhile they're going to countries in Africa, Chile, El Salvador, Russia and other countries building their infrastructure up. Trading with them and not price gouging meanwhile the US can only talk shit because everything we wear, use, and need comes from China. They can fuck us over because Capitalism fucked us over. Big corporations won't pay American workers so they send the work to China and they're too obsessed with profit and stake holders bank accts to switch it up.

Then to top it all off they're 20yrs ahead of us in tech, weapons and infrastructure.
 
It's wild to see how easily people fall for the profiteers of war. Ukraine can't win this, and really I don't give two fucks about that racist country. That short motherfucker Zelensky walking aorund in military garb while never actually ever even serving. People still falling for this shit. Alot of yall would have been cool with Vietnam and the Iraq war. All it takes is a boogeyman
Ukraine is basically fighting Russia for us and Europe, which is why we were giving them so much. They are our proxy, one thing Vance got right when he said the quiet part out loud.

We can send Ukraine weapons that are basically sitting in a warehouse and not have to send a single soldier. The goal was to weaken Russia at the expense of Ukrainians. I don’t think it’s right to perpetuate an unwinnable war in Ukraine just to serve our purposes but I also don’t think it’s right to just let Russia run roughshod over an ally.

That’s why Zelensky been seeming so ungrateful. He doesn’t feel like he’s been done any favors due to them being a proxy serving American and European interests at the expense of Ukrainian lives.

I’m not defending either position, just stating the facts.
 
They are just dismantling the civil rights act piece by piece...


Voters have been pressuring their representatives this week via town halls and petitions not to vote for the SAVE Act, a bill that may make it much harder for women, minorities, and working class people to register to vote.


The Safeguard American Voter Eligibility (SAVE) Act, introduced by Representative Chip Roy, would amend the National Voter Registration Act to require people to register to vote with paper proof of citizenship.
Citizens across the country have been asking their representatives to reject this proposal, as paper proof of citizenship not only creates a burdensome barrier to voting, but is additionally difficult for women whose married names do not match their birth certificate, people who have lost documents in natural disaster or moving house, older Black people who were denied hospital births and therefore do not have a birth certificate, and low income people who have not bought a passport.


Why It Matters​

Voting is a fundamental right for all Americans over the age of 18, with the exception of felons in some states. Civil rights organizations have seen this bill as violating that right as it creates barriers to voting.
Citizenship is already required in order to vote, and people who lie about that face jail time or deportation.
House Republicans have said non-citizen voting is a serious concern, however, an audit conducted by Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in 2024 found only 20 noncitizens, out of Georgia's 8.4 million registered voters, were on the voter rolls. That is 0.00024 percent of the state's voter list. All 20 were referred to law enforcement and had zero effect on the election.

What To Know​

The SAVE Act has become a focal point of town halls and petitions across the country.
In a letter dated February 24, Florida's Equal Ground coalition, alongside the Southern Poverty Law Center, the NAACP Florida State Conference, and other civil rights groups, asked their representatives to see the bill as "yet another obstacle in a long history of voter suppression tactics."

Their letter states that the SAVE Act is "a harmful piece of legislation that threatens to disenfranchise eligible voters in Florida and across the country."
Red Wine and Blue, a political organization which describes itself as a "community of women who use digital media and friend-to-friend organizing to change the world," shared footage of a town hall earlier this week where a woman confronted Representative Rich McCormick about the SAVE Act, saying its paper proof of citizenship is "voter suppression."


The League of Women Voters of Westchester also recorded and posted a town hall with Representative George Latimer on the SAVE Act, where the representative said: "[The bill authors'] acronym, SAVE, I think is a misnomer. The acronym that I think matters most...is stop all voter engagement. Because what we're doing here is stopping the engagement that has been created by having mail ballots, and mail registration that makes it easier for people to vote."
The SAVE Act lists several types of documentation that would be accepted in order to prove citizenship, including a form of identification issued consistent with the requirements of the REAL ID Act of 2005, a valid United States passport, valid military ID, forms of Tribal identification and proof of naturalization. Many of these forms of ID, other than a passport, either include a birth certificate or must be presented alongside a birth certificate.
The SAVE Act does not include proof of name change or a marriage certificate as acceptable proof of identity. This could be vital for married women with a birth certificate that does not match their current legal name, especially if they are one of the approximately 146 million Americans who do not have a passport.

Additionally, a recent study from the Center for Democracy and Civic Engagement found that 21.3 million people cannot readily access their citizenship documents.
Roy told Newsweek in a previous article that creating a wider scope for proving identity, such as married women bringing both their birth certificate and their marriage license, to register to vote would be left up to the states.
However, one state, Arizona, which already tried to implement similar barriers to voting, has now had its laws struck down by the courts.
In 2022, Arizona created similar barriers to voting where voters have to provide documentary proof of citizenship and place of birth. The state also instituted frequent voter roll purges, something that is central to the SAVE Act. Both of these bills were overturned by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, citing civil rights violations.

Jonathan Diaz, director of voting advocacy and partnerships at Campaign Legal Center, told Newsweek: "The top line is that the SAVE Act would create really significant new burdens on Americans to register to vote. It would make it harder for most eligible American citizens to register and cast a ballot. It would completely upend mail and online voter registration systems...especially in smaller and more rural counties. They don't have the money and the resources to do this without appropriations from Congress, which the bill doesn't provide for."
Diaz explained that most government issued IDs do not include place of birth or citizenship, even many REAL IDs which are listed as an allowed piece of documentation in the SAVE Act. These parameters would not only hurt women, but would also heavily impact Native voters who may not have the U.S. listed as their place of birth on their tribal ID.
Cleta Mitchell from the Only Citizens Vote Coalition, who is a supporter of the SAVE Act, said: "When we change our names, we have to provide a birth certificate and marriage certificate to get our name changed at the Social Security office or on our bank accounts or credit cards or a zillion other places. It is a pain but millions of women do it every day."
However, detractors have argued that voting is a fundamental right, and politicians should be doing everything in their power to make it easier for citizens to engage with it, not erecting barriers which are "a pain."

Citizens who are already registered to vote will also likely be affected by the SAVE Act, as it calls for frequent voter roll purges. These purges often end up sweeping citizens off of the rolls, meaning people will then have to re-register with all of their paper documentation.

What People Are Saying​

Jonathan Diaz, director of voting advocacy and partnerships at Campaign Legal Center, told Newsweek: "Among the groups that would be most affected by this are married women who have changed their names upon getting married, which a majority of married women in the United States do.
"Most of them do not have a birth certificate or other kind of citizenship document with their current legal name on it, and so you're even assuming that the states create filing process to satisfy the bill you would have to go to your elections office with your original birth certificate and your current ID, and mainly your marriage license and then some other form, but from when you changed your name, you know, with the Social Security Administration or whoever, and then all of a sudden you've got four or five difficult to obtain and expensive to reproduce government documents that you have to provide in person just to register to vote."
Representative Chip Roy told Newsweek: "This bill isn't being attacked because it'll exclude citizens from voting—it won't. It's being attacked because the policy is wildly popular with the American people, its opponents want and need illegals to vote, and they'll use anything they can to attack it."

What Happens Next​

The 2025 SAVE Act has not been brought to a vote yet on the House floor. Its 2024 version was rejected by the Senate which was under Democratic control at the time. However, this new vote on the act will likely pass both chambers.
If the bill passes it is likely to have little effect on noncitizens voting, as there are so few cases of noncitizens trying to vote, but it will make it significantly harder for Americans to be able to register to vote.
 
Finally watched the oval office shit in full.

I see what led to Vance going off. Trump avoided multiple questions regarding security guarantees and even said at one point we will get to that when the time is right, for now we just need to stop the bullets.

Zelensky kept pressing the issue and I understand. Not only is it his ppl/territory suffering but he was left out of the talks w Russia and prob feels like this is gonna be his only chance to make his case.

Trump was letting him rock and get his shit off but Vance riled him up when Zelensky pushed back on the diplomacy shit.

And I get Vance's point on that. Biden closed off diplomacy w Russia and it led to nowhere, Ukraines position wasn't getting any better. Trump administration at least getting the bullets to stop, quit trying to dictate terms in front of media bc "u don't have the cards without us".

Zelensky not wrong to wanna get his shit off, but it was bad timing. U were there for the deal and u had it if u would've just chilled and do what u came to do.

At the end of the day Europe still gonna need US backing to make this right.
 
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This is how trump tries to play Europe and Ukraine he does a deal with Russia. They keep the territory and in doing so Russia signs a mineral deal with the Russia. ( That territory has the minerals)

Europe will try keep Ukraine balance for 3 years and hope for a democrat then splits with the USA.

We finally get a European army and the world is never the same (Germany already talking about nukes)
 
This is how trump tries to play Europe and Ukraine he does a deal with Russia. They keep the territory and in doing so Russia signs a mineral deal with the Russia. ( That territory has the minerals)

Europe will try keep Ukraine balance for 3 years and hope for a democrat then splits with the USA.

We finally get a European army and the world is never the same (Germany already talking about nukes)

You're acting like half of these European countries aren't half-fascist or worse already.
 
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