COMMUNITY United States Politics Thread: Trump's Second Term

[Knock_Twice]

You looking at it too simplistically. It’s not about handing out more apples, it’s about leveling the playing field for people to pick all the apples they can. If they keep removing our access to the tools necessary to pick more apples, the gap is going to widen. And that’s exactly what Trump is doing by making it ok for whites to discriminate against us in hiring practices. He’s trying to make it so only white men can pick apples.

Leveling the playing field

Again, for example:

FBA - zero cars

Whites - 30 cars

Asians - 15 cars

Other groups 5 cars



Using your "Leveling the playing field" IF the owner of this car dealer ship NOW allows FBAs to shop at his car dealer ship to buy cars because he wants to be on a level playing field, will that make these other group gain more cars too?

100 cars on the dealership, and now the field is wide open, playing field. Will these other groups still be ahead of FBAs?

 

[Knock_Twice]

How does black MAGA/ FBA but the Democrats… both sides…..square shit like this

Ima need you to add in Black immigrants too. Did all of them vote for Kamala or did they sit at home too/couch game?

I see you like to add in FBA in your frustration, did black immigrants sit out?

 

[TheNightKing]

This is a vague answer, and I am reading it as this leveling the playing field, well let's just open the door for everybody, which means everybody will eat the same food which again, doesn't elevate FBAs from the bottom

We still have to catch up.

Let me ask you this way then. Do you think "direct" policies need to go to FBAs to catch them up?

I would love for there to be policies that help the FBA community solely. That’s not the question. The question is how is that going to happen? What’s the strategy? I’ve never gotten a viable, reasonable strategy that has a chance from FBA proponents.

And that’s where we typically disagree. No one on this board is rejecting reparations or anything that might help us directly. We’re saying your way of going about it is a dead end and is actually setting us back. Playing Couch Gang and letting someone like Trump in has set the movement back at minimum 8 years, maybe forever.

 

[TheNightKing]

Leveling the playing field

Again, for example:

FBA - zero cars

Whites - 30 cars

Asians - 15 cars

Other groups 5 cars



Using your "Leveling the playing field" IF the owner of this car dealer ship NOW allows FBAs to shop at his car dealer ship to buy cars because he wants to be on a level playing field, will that make these other group gain more cars too?

100 cars on the dealership, and now the field is wide open, playing field. Will these other groups still be ahead of FBAs?

You want to narrow the gap by bringing all others down. I want to do it by bringing us up. What good is narrowing the gap if you haven’t gained anything?

 

[Knock_Twice]

I would love for there to be policies that help the FBA community solely. That’s not the question. The question is how is that going to happen? What’s the strategy? I’ve never gotten a viable, reasonable strategy that has a chance from FBA proponents.

And that’s where we typically disagree. No one on this board is rejecting reparations or anything that might help us directly. We’re saying your way of going about it is a dead end and is actually setting us back. Playing Couch Gang and letting someone like Trump in has set the movement back at minimum 8 years, maybe forever.

That's my question. Let's not shift.

I want you to tell me how will the gap close for FBAs. "Let's figure this out together" Let's close the wealth gap for FBAs since we are at the bottom

All of this " I would like to be this and that" Let's put pen to paper. My way is not the way, Got it. No reparations, not going to happen.. I got it..

Now let's go with your vision

Tell me how would you close the wealth gap, according to my apples and car example, that doesn't make sense

Explain to the average voter your top 4 or 5 things that YOU would suggest policy/bill wise to close the wealth gap for FBAs.

Let's put pen to paper. I'm listening.

 

[Knock_Twice]

You want to narrow the gap by bringing all others down. I want to do it by bringing us up. What good is narrowing the gap if you haven’t gained anything?

How will you narrow the gap without bringing others down is what I am asking you??

You keep talking in "words" I'm asking you to show your work?

Tell us how would you do this??

Bring up 30 million black folks (FBAs) without bringing down other groups and you stated that you are not a fan of "direct" policies to just 1 particular group, you said that reparations won't be a thing

So give us 3 ways/policies that you can explain to us how you will bring up 30-40 million (FBAS) to close that wealth gap without bringing down or elevating other groups such as black immigrants/white immigrants, Asians, white folks etc. without giving "direct" policies to the group (FBAs) that's at the bottom


Go, yo ass is on the clock. Tell us democratic party member since you want (FBAs) vote. Tell us how will you and your party will bring us outta this hole and close the wealth gap without elevating others and bringing other groups down. No reparations or direct polices for 1 particular group.

Tell us how your party's plan will work. Go

In this example, if you can't bring us outta of the hole we are in, or name 3 things policies etc, you will lose all 40 million FBA votes

Go.

It's just a example.

Go

 

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[Elzo69Renaissance]

 

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[TheNightKing]

How will you narrow the gap without bringing others down is what I am asking you??

You keep talking in "words" I'm asking you to show your work?

Tell us how would you do this??

Bring up 30 million black folks (FBAs) without bringing down other groups and you stated that you are not a fan of "direct" policies to just 1 particular group, you said that reparations won't be a thing

So give us 3 ways/policies that you can explain to us how you will bring up 30-40 million (FBAS) to close that wealth gap without bringing down or elevating other groups such as black immigrants/white immigrants, Asians, white folks etc. without giving "direct" policies to the group (FBAs) that's at the bottom


Go, yo ass is on the clock. Tell us democratic party member since you want (FBAs) vote. Tell us how will you and your party will bring us outta this hole and close the wealth gap without elevating others and bringing other groups down. No reparations or direct polices for 1 particular group.

Tell us how your party's plan will work. Go

In this example, if you can't bring us outta of the hole we are in, or name 3 things policies etc, you will lose all 40 million FBA votes

Go.

It's just a example.

Go

Nah don’t turn it around on me. You say you want something. How are YOU getting there?

I’ll play anyway. I’m practical. I understand that shit happens iteratively. And I know I’m not running for office or doing any community organizing as that’s not my calling. And I understand the system is a 2 party system. So my play is to do my part by voting to put the people in power who are going to be better for us. It’s really that simple.

Now your turn.

 

[Lab Baby]

"Talking in 'words'" is WILD.

 

[Knock_Twice]

I want to extend this question to the Democratic members in here, I would like you to list policies that will get 30-40 million FBAs out of the hole, closing the wealth gap. You can't use reparations nor can you give "direct" polices to FBAs since that would be considered putting other groups down such as black/white immigrants, white folks, Asians, etc.

Just 3 or 4 policies or ways that YOU can come up to present to your Democratic Party that will get 30-40 million (FBAs) out of the hole.
In this example, if you can't list 2, 3 or 4 policies, you will lose all 30-40 million (FBAs) vote.


@AP3.0
@Tayboo
@BlackRain
@Gray Matter
@Mister
@ChicagoFigure
@Disanthrope
@Lab Baby
@TheMyth guy
@Inori
@Elzo69Renaissance

If you got jokes or something, don't worry yourself asking, this is a serious question.




How will you narrow the gap without bringing others down is what I am asking you??

You keep talking in "words" I'm asking you to show your work?

Tell us how would you do this??

Bring up 30 million black folks (FBAs) without bringing down other groups and you stated that you are not a fan of "direct" policies to just 1 particular group, you said that reparations won't be a thing

So give us 3 ways/policies that you can explain to us how you will bring up 30-40 million (FBAS) to close that wealth gap without bringing down or elevating other groups such as black immigrants/white immigrants, Asians, white folks etc. without giving "direct" policies to the group (FBAs) that's at the bottom


Go, yo ass is on the clock. Tell us democratic party member since you want (FBAs) vote. Tell us how will you and your party will bring us outta this hole and close the wealth gap without elevating others and bringing other groups down. No reparations or direct polices for 1 particular group.

Tell us how your party's plan will work. Go

In this example, if you can't bring us outta of the hole we are in, or name 3 things policies etc, you will lose all 40 million FBA votes

Go.

It's just a example.

Go

 

[RandomOne]

A Trump administration official wrote the following in the email: “Pull all contracts for Politico, BBC, E&E (Politico sub) and Bloomberg. Pull all media contracts for just GSA – cancel every single media contract today for GSA only.”

The GSA is responsible for the federal government’s services relating to procurement, technology, and real estate. The recent decision by the Trump administration comes days after Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency wrongly claimed that Politico was receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies. The payments turned out to be years of payments to Politico Pro, a service that tracks legislation on Capitol Hill.

That's interesting

 

[Knock_Twice]

Nah don’t turn it around on me. You say you want something. How are YOU getting there?

I’ll play anyway. I’m practical. I understand that shit happens iteratively. And I know I’m not running for office or doing any community organizing as that’s not my calling. And I understand the system is a 2 party system. So my play is to do my part by voting to put the people in power who are going to be better for us. It’s really that simple.

Now your turn.

I asked you to give us ways, Your vision that you can tell us that will get 30-40 million (FBAs) out of the hole without elevating or putting down other groups, to close the wealth gap. You can't even tell me any ways.

I asked you 4 to 5 times.

I need to see something. You have to convince 30 to 40 million (FBAs) how the wealth gap will close without giving them "direct" policies and without reparations. We get it, No reparations, we off that in this example and no direct polices for FBAs

Now what's your plan, Show us....... YOU CANT

If you have a plan, you should be able to show me line for line, detail on top of detail on how you will get 30-40 million (FBAs) out of the hole without hurting or elevating other groups who are already on top of (FBAs)

You can't do it bro and I understand it. I asked you 4 to 5 times and even laid out examples for you to try and push you to give me answers. You can't do it bro and that's why the Dems are stuck.

No reparations or direct policies for one group is outta the window for your party, Kool. I'm not mad but show me ways that will close the gap and you can't do it.

Thanks. This does not help your case and that's why I don't pay you and the Dems no mind



When pressed with direct questions to give answers, it's back to the same old ass play that's keeping FBAs in the hole. Vote without any detailed plan that's showing us how we are closing the gap without elevating or putting down other groups such as white/black immigrants, Asians, white folks, etc.

You lost bro.

 

[LurkerSix]

The Government’s Computing Experts Say They Are Terrified

Four IT professionals lay out just how destructive Elon Musk’s incursion into the U.S. government could be.

www.theatlantic.com

lon Musk’s unceasing attempts to access the data and information systems of the federal government range so widely, and are so unprecedented and unpredictable, that government computing experts believe the effort has spun out of control. This week, we spoke with four federal-government IT professionals—all experienced contractors and civil servants who have built, modified, or maintained the kind of technological infrastructure that Musk’s inexperienced employees at his newly created Department of Government Efficiency are attempting to access. In our conversations, each expert was unequivocal: They are terrified and struggling to articulate the scale of the crisis.

Even if the president of the United States, the head of the executive branch, supports (and, importantly, understands) these efforts by DOGE, these experts told us, they would still consider Musk’s campaign to be a reckless and dangerous breach of the complex systems that keep America running. Federal IT systems facilitate operations as varied as sending payments from the Treasury Department and making sure that airplanes stay in the air, the sources told us.

Based on what has been reported, DOGE representatives have obtained or requested access to certain systems at the U.S. Treasury, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Office of Personnel Management, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, with eyes toward others, including the Federal Aviation Administration. “This is the largest data breach and the largest IT security breach in our country’s history—at least that’s publicly known,” one contractor who has worked on classified information-security systems at numerous government agencies told us this week. “You can’t un-ring this bell. Once these DOGE guys have access to these data systems, they can ostensibly do with it what they want.”

The four experts laid out the implications of giving untrained individuals access to the technological infrastructure that controls the country. Their message is unambiguous: These are not systems you tamper with lightly. Musk and his crew could act deliberately to extract sensitive data, alter fundamental aspects of how these systems operate, or provide further access to unvetted actors. Or they may act with carelessness or incompetence, breaking the systems altogether. Given the scope of what these systems do, key government services might stop working properly, citizens could be harmed, and the damage might be difficult or impossible to undo. As one administrator for a federal agency with deep knowledge about the government’s IT operations told us, “I don’t think the public quite understands the level of danger.”

Elon Musk threatening to fund primary opponents to bully GOP Senators to confirm Trump’s nominees

Charlie Sykes, MSNBC Columnist and Contributor joins Nicolle Wallace on Deadline White House to discuss the heightened pressure campaign being exerted by the most powerful people in Donald Trump orbit to intimidate and bully members of the United States Senate, including Elon Musk who is...

www.yahoo.com

Elon Musk threatening to fund primary opponents to bully GOP Senators to confirm Trump’s nominees​

Charlie Sykes, MSNBC Columnist and Contributor joins Nicolle Wallace on Deadline White House to discuss the heightened pressure campaign being exerted by the most powerful people in Donald Trump orbit to intimidate and bully members of the United States Senate, including Elon Musk who is threatening to financially back a primary challenge to any Republican Senator who oppose Trump’s nominees.

 

[TheNightKing]

I want to extend this question to the Democratic members in here, I would like you to policies that will get 30-40 million FBAs out of the hole, closing the wealth gap. You can't use reparations nor can you give "direct" polices to FBAs since that would be considered putting other groups down such as black/white immigrants, white folks, Asians, etc.

Just 3 or 4 policies or ways that YOU can come up to present to your Democratic Party that will get 30-40 million (FBAs) out of the hole.
In this example, if you can't list 2, 3 or 4 policies, you will lose all 30-40 million (FBAs) vote.


@AP3.0
@Tayboo
@BlackRain
@Gray Matter
@Mister
@ChicagoFigure
@Disanthrope
@Lab Baby
@TheMyth guy
@Inori
@Elzo69Renaissance

If you got jokes or something, don't worry yourself asking, this is a serious question.




How will you narrow the gap without bringing others down is what I am asking you??

You keep talking in "words" I'm asking you to show your work?

Tell us how would you do this??

Bring up 30 million black folks (FBAs) without bringing down other groups and you stated that you are not a fan of "direct" policies to just 1 particular group, you said that reparations won't be a thing

So give us 3 ways/policies that you can explain to us how you will bring up 30-40 million (FBAS) to close that wealth gap without bringing down or elevating other groups such as black immigrants/white immigrants, Asians, white folks etc. without giving "direct" policies to the group (FBAs) that's at the bottom


Go, yo ass is on the clock. Tell us democratic party member since you want (FBAs) vote. Tell us how will you and your party will bring us outta this hole and close the wealth gap without elevating others and bringing other groups down. No reparations or direct polices for 1 particular group.

Tell us how your party's plan will work. Go

In this example, if you can't bring us outta of the hole we are in, or name 3 things policies etc, you will lose all 40 million FBA votes

Go.

It's just a example.

Go

No just stop. Stop deflecting. You the one going on and on about wanting things specifically for FBAs. You tell us how you get there. I’ve told you my position and strategy, which I’m pretty sure is similar to most folks here.

WHAT IS YOURS?

 

[BRIAN B.]

I want to extend this question to the Democratic members in here, I would like you to policies that will get 30-40 million FBAs out of the hole, closing the wealth gap. You can't use reparations nor can you give "direct" polices to FBAs since that would be considered putting other groups down such as black/white immigrants, white folks, Asians, etc.

Just 3 or 4 policies or ways that YOU can come up to present to your Democratic Party that will get 30-40 million (FBAs) out of the hole.
In this example, if you can't list 2, 3 or 4 policies, you will lose all 30-40 million (FBAs) vote.


@AP3.0
@Tayboo
@BlackRain
@Gray Matter
@Mister
@ChicagoFigure
@Disanthrope
@Lab Baby
@TheMyth guy
@Inori
@Elzo69Renaissance

If you got jokes or something, don't worry yourself asking, this is a serious question.




How will you narrow the gap without bringing others down is what I am asking you??

You keep talking in "words" I'm asking you to show your work?

Tell us how would you do this??

Bring up 30 million black folks (FBAs) without bringing down other groups and you stated that you are not a fan of "direct" policies to just 1 particular group, you said that reparations won't be a thing

So give us 3 ways/policies that you can explain to us how you will bring up 30-40 million (FBAS) to close that wealth gap without bringing down or elevating other groups such as black immigrants/white immigrants, Asians, white folks etc. without giving "direct" policies to the group (FBAs) that's at the bottom


Go, yo ass is on the clock. Tell us democratic party member since you want (FBAs) vote. Tell us how will you and your party will bring us outta this hole and close the wealth gap without elevating others and bringing other groups down. No reparations or direct polices for 1 particular group.

Tell us how your party's plan will work. Go

In this example, if you can't bring us outta of the hole we are in, or name 3 things policies etc, you will lose all 40 million FBA votes

Go.

It's just a example.

Go

this is totally off topic


not tryna derail the thread, won't be any follow-up posts



jus a simple yes or no





do you think the earth is flat?

 

[Knock_Twice]

this is totally off topic


not tryna derail the thread, won't be any follow-up posts



jus a simple yes or no





do you think the earth is flat?

Do you think buffalos have wings?

Better yet, which came 1st the chicken or the egg

 

[Disanthrope]

I want to extend this question to the Democratic members in here, I would like you to list policies that will get 30-40 million FBAs out of the hole, closing the wealth gap. You can't use reparations nor can you give "direct" polices to FBAs since that would be considered putting other groups down such as black/white immigrants, white folks, Asians, etc.

Just 3 or 4 policies or ways that YOU can come up to present to your Democratic Party that will get 30-40 million (FBAs) out of the hole.
In this example, if you can't list 2, 3 or 4 policies, you will lose all 30-40 million (FBAs) vote.


@AP3.0
@Tayboo
@BlackRain
@Gray Matter
@Mister
@ChicagoFigure
@Disanthrope
@Lab Baby
@TheMyth guy
@Inori
@Elzo69Renaissance

If you got jokes or something, don't worry yourself asking, this is a serious question.




How will you narrow the gap without bringing others down is what I am asking you??

You keep talking in "words" I'm asking you to show your work?

Tell us how would you do this??

Bring up 30 million black folks (FBAs) without bringing down other groups and you stated that you are not a fan of "direct" policies to just 1 particular group, you said that reparations won't be a thing

So give us 3 ways/policies that you can explain to us how you will bring up 30-40 million (FBAS) to close that wealth gap without bringing down or elevating other groups such as black immigrants/white immigrants, Asians, white folks etc. without giving "direct" policies to the group (FBAs) that's at the bottom


Go, yo ass is on the clock. Tell us democratic party member since you want (FBAs) vote. Tell us how will you and your party will bring us outta this hole and close the wealth gap without elevating others and bringing other groups down. No reparations or direct polices for 1 particular group.

Tell us how your party's plan will work. Go

In this example, if you can't bring us outta of the hole we are in, or name 3 things policies etc, you will lose all 40 million FBA votes

Go.

It's just a example.

Go

Lord which one of these Off Brand Negroes said something about bringing other groups down? Lmao

And y'all wonder why I call ABW the plantation

Prioritizing what Others think is what they do best

They are threatened by the pro Black Agenda so they pushback



Even without reparations LINEAGE based policy is the only way to close the wealth gap

there's plenty of racial religious and sexuality based policies in existence

Why not lineage based?

Thats not a handout, it's getting back the equity our ancestors put into this country. Very simple

I don't really have a solution that doesn't directly compensate us the way we were directly stolen from

 

[Knock_Twice]

No just stop. Stop deflecting. You the one going on and on about wanting things specifically for FBAs. You tell us how you get there. I’ve told you my position and strategy, which I’m pretty sure is similar to most folks here.

WHAT IS YOURS?

Ok, you don't have anything on closing wealth gap for FBAs that's not going to elevate and put down other groups.

Plus, I said reparations and direct polices, that's not going to work.. YOU SAID THAT..

I said Ok. my way won't work

Show me your way, without putting other groups down or elevating them

You still haven't listed any policies or anything.

I'm listening.