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BlackRain said:
Then you probably should stop posting things like "it's the vaxxed fault..." and mention more than them when you get to slinging blame around
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There does seen to be a bias towards pointing out vaccinated people spreading covid even though there are still unvaxxed people running around out here reckless.

And at least we vaxxed were taking a step towards helping the situation. And we were told we could go unmasked, which was true until this Delta variant.
 
TheNightKing said:
There does seen to be a bias towards pointing out vaccinated people spreading covid even though there are still unvaxxed people running around out here reckless.

And at least we vaxxed were taking a step towards helping the situation. And we were told we could go unmasked, which was true until this Delta variant.
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i'll only speak for myself I was responding specifically to @DOS_patos posting about how vaccinated folks are making up large numbers of new cases.

I aint tryna point the finger at vaccinated or unvaccinated.. no matter what you are.. you should move with some sense.
 
TheNightKing said:
I guess my greater point was that eventually there will be a vaccine effective against Delta, and people won't get it, leaving the door open for another variant, and the cycle continues.

I agree with you on inequity, so I'm not going to argue that. In the US, we could have vaccines that are effective against variants, but again, not enough people would get them. And if we could get it under control, it would be in our best interest to help others. And we are even now.
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My issue is the fact they are completely dismissing natural immunity in achieving herd immunity thereby claiming more people need vaccination than actually necessary thus keeping vaccines we don't need that poorer countries desperately do. Meaning we will never get to that point u are referring to, and not necessarily bc "not enough people would take the perfect vaccine"

Something disingenuous about that imo (on their part not yours)

Also add the fact that some of the wealthier countries have enough vaccines to FULLY/DOUBLE inoculate their entire population more than once (or more) times over. Much of this can be solved now but it's not.
 
TheNightKing said:
We just found out in the past week or so that the Delta variant gives vaccinated people enough of a viral load to be just as easily transmissibile. Before the Delta variant, that wasn't the case.

I really don't want to wear a mask, but given what's come out the past couple of days, I wouldn't be against a return to a mandate.

Because people aren't getting vaccinated though, it's only a matter of time before there's a variant current vaccines can't fight. Then we'll be right back in the position we were all of last year. Then new vaccines, then more unvaxxed, then more breakthrough variants, then more vaccines, etc., etc. This shit's going to last forever.
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The Delta/Indian variant has been around for like 6 months and CDCs worldwide have been warning that - even before the ‘Alfa/British’ variant - all Corona vaccines developed would become Obsolete with the quickness because the virus will continue to mutate amongst everyone, regardless if one is vaccinated or not. Pfizer BioNtech, Moderna , Jansen etc than stated that it wouldn’t matter much because due to their flexible - and brand new - MRNA technique, they could easily adjust the vaccines and market them accordingly… the Lambda variant is already here, fresh from Peru. Next month a Indonesian mutation will come and so on.

The reality is - and I understand it’s hard to accept - but we cannot beat the Rona with vaccines, even if 99,99% of the world is vaccinated, the Rona wil stay and become endemic like influenza … vaccines are a bandaid for nations worldwide to lower the pressure on their respective health care systems.

The Rona and influenza aren’t comparable to shit like Polio, chickenpox - and other shit ‘we’ defeated through vaccination - because it are simply different diseases … like Crohn and tuberculosis are different etc.

2/3 months ago I was wondering why the American press/politicians etc weren’t babbling about the Delta variant like over here in Europe and Israel and its still amazing how extremely political the discussions are where y’all at and how much fear mongering is involved . It’s like y’all got a completely different beast over there lol.
 
Natural immunity is also better than a Pfizer or AstraZeneca etc vaccine btw, especially against Delta and - from what is available so far - the Lambda variant …
 
ChicagoFigure said:
My issue is the fact they are completely dismissing natural immunity in achieving herd immunity thereby claiming more people need vaccination than actually necessary thus keeping vaccines we don't need that poorer countries desperately do. Meaning we will never get to that point u are referring to, and not necessarily bc "not enough people would take the perfect vaccine"

Something disingenuous about that imo (on their part not yours)

Also add the fact that some of the wealthier countries have enough vaccines to FULLY/DOUBLE inoculate their entire population more than once (or more) times over. Much of this can be solved now but it's not.
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I take your point regarding natural immunity and agree those with it don't need vaccines, but it's either not enough for herd immunity or herd immunity is impossible with Covid.
 
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TheNightKing said:
The Delta variant is the one that's more transmissibile in the vaccinated, not the others. Vaccine worked great with those.
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All true.


However, they put too much faith in the vaccine by assuming that........just because the vaccine worked with the other variants...........that it would work with any future variants as well.


Look, they made a mistake.......but the mistake they made could've easily been prevented.


Knowing that asymptomatic people could spread the original covid strain, it just doesn't make sense to tell people it was ok to go maskless.


Why even take that chance?


Huge mistake.


As you can see from this so-called "4th wave."
 
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deadeye said:
All true.


They put too much faith in the vaccine by assuming that........just because the vaccine worked with the other variants...........that it would work with any future variants as well.


Look, they made a mistake.......but the mistake they made could've easily been prevented.


Knowing that asymptomatic people could spread the original covid strain, it just doesn't make sense to tell people it was ok to go maskless.


Why even take that chance?


Huge mistake.


As you can see from this so-called "4th wave."
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There are so many factors that go into that decision though. Some of it was all incentive to get people vaccinated. A lot of people thought what's the point of getting vaxxed if I have to still wear a mask? So they removed the mandate to incentivize. Which wasn't a bad thing at the time because data suggested breakthrough infections were minimal.

Either way, they didn't know Delta would be so transmissibile in the vaxxed until now. If they could know stuff like that ahead of time they'd had done a lot of things differently.
 
TheNightKing said:
There are so many factors that go into that decision though. Some of it was all incentive to get people vaccinated. A lot of people thought what's the point of getting vaxxed if I have to still wear a mask? So they removed the mandate to incentivize. Which wasn't a bad thing at the time because data suggested breakthrough infections were minimal.

Either way, they didn't know Delta would be so transmissibile in the vaxxed until now. If they could know stuff like that ahead of time they'd had done a lot of things differently.
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Based on what they already knew, it shouldn't have been that difficult to account for the possibility that something like this could happen.


I'm not a scientist or medical professional............but I've been saying for the past few weeks that vaccinated people could be spreading Covid.


So I'd expect a little bit more foresight from the people who are supposed to be experts in the scientific community.
 
BlackRain said:
Then you probably should stop posting things like "it's the vaxxed fault..." and mention more than them when you get to slinging blame around
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So it wasn’t people just pointing to non vaxxed people as the problem and called non vaxxed stupid?

f u up
 
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