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The reality is complicated. The NIH gave almost $600,000to the WIV through a nonprofit over several years to study bat coronaviruses. Mr. Paul cited a 2017 paper from WIV researchers that included experiments combining parts of viruses to study how to better infect human cells. But Dr. Fauci said the project was “judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not being gain-of-function.”


This might be technically true, as a 2014 federal government definition describes such research as that which “increase the ability of infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility.” But some scientists think the government definition is too limited and can allow de facto gain-of-function research to bypass safety protocols. Rutgers molecular biologist Richard Ebright says the NIH-funded work “was—unequivocally—gain-of-function research.”


In early 2020, Dr. Fauci emailed his deputy a paper co-written by gain-of-function pioneer Ralph Baric and a Wuhan scientist. The official responded that they would “try to determine if we have any distant ties to this work abroad.” The next day Dr. Fauci organized a call with several nongovernment virologists, but the email chain after the meeting was redacted. Weeks later, a group of scientists published a letter in The Lancet condemning “conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.” Dr. Fauci and the public-health elite echoed the letter’s views for months.



Mr. Paul, excitable as he may be, is a medical doctor who did his homework. The Senator clearly sees a political benefit in hammering Dr. Fauci and China, but the celebrity scientist and his allies have obvious conflicts of interest. The Lancet letter was organized by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance, which had funneled the NIH money to the WIV.


Mr. Daszak, Dr. Fauci and all researchers involved in gain-of-function research would suffer significant reputational damage and perhaps lose funding if scientific research they supported caused a pandemic. On Sunday Dr. Fauci said the research cooperation was necessary because “SARS-CoV-1 originated in China.” But exactly what did that cooperation yield?
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Got my 2nd today. I took excedrin instead of motrin incase I also get a headache because excedrin works great for headaches for me

Arm already sore. I overheard some woman asking people on the phone which shot she should get. I was actually about to suggest not to get the johnson & johnson one but whoever it was told her to get the pfizer one
 
My job just made it mandatory to get the vaccine. I gotta be Vaxed by 10/15/21. No one i know had any bad reactions but i see them on the net all the time. Rona didnt fuck me up that bad when i had it, but Im not looking forward to those body aches again.

To have a fully functional vaccine, yet so many ppl jus refusing to take it and all this unnecessary sickness n death...

Businesses and corporations are moving towards "get fully vaxxed or gtfoh or pay for weekly testing."
 
My job just made it mandatory to get the vaccine. I gotta be Vaxed by 10/15/21. No one i know had any bad reactions but i see them on the net all the time. Rona didnt fuck me up that bad when i had it, but Im not looking forward to those body aches again.

And if you would have lived in a different country your employer and respective government would tell you you wouldn’t need to get vaccinated because you already caught covid and have/should have natural immunity which you could double check at your local GP etc etc …
 
To have a fully functional vaccine, yet so many ppl jus refusing to take it and all this unnecessary sickness n death...

Businesses and corporations are moving towards "get fully vaxxed or gtfoh or pay for weekly testing."

The same way people looked back and said that these high powered politicians and business men who moved around a bunch of money was a sign that they knew something was coming is the same way people should be looking at these mandates coming from jobs and cities going back to 100% masking up. It's their way of saying "we not about to lockdown again so if you catch this shit and gotta stay home and can't work you on your own"
 
I'm wondering how these people explain how Covid cases go down where vaccinated numbers go up. Is it that they'd just rather gamble on catching covid and not going to the hospital than getting a vaccine?

I seriously can't wrap my head around that logic at all.
 
You serious?

Was it not posts saying .....nevermind

I plan on finishing up getting drunk.
Thinking will mess that up and make me need more drinks. Then I’d get sick.

Tomorrow imma f you up. Tired of your shit

If it's been said then you should be able to easily search and find it. You made the claim you gotta back it up
 
I didn't compare polio vaccines to corona vaccines...I compared the attitude and reasons for doubting to get a vaccine in general. There's a key difference.

So you agree with my point regarding the covid vaccines than? Since I’m vaccinated for yellow fever, hepatitis A, B, Mengitus (spellcheck) and vaccinated my son for everything there is and obviously am someone that doesn’t doubt vaccinations …

We can’t beat Covid the same way we beat Polio because theyre fundamentally different things. Covid can’t be bested through vaccines for reasons I give in that initial post but which context you simply ignored so … yeah. Just move on cause you keep moving the goal posts lol
 
UK public health released info/study July 8. Look it up in Google it's a pdf. Variants of interest and variants under investigation. According to the numbers, the delta shit under .2% fatality rate.
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This chart from that paper shows over 50 yrs old fully vaxxed has higher death rate than over 50 unvaxxed.

Under 50 yrs old numbers work more in fully vaxxed favor but the death rate is miniscule af any way u slice it regardless of age group

I'm not saying don't get vaxxed, but somebody said something about math. Here are some solid numbers from their government.

After all UK fighting the same variant with the same vaccines as we are, and they're a lil farther in.
 
UK public health released info/study July 8. Look it up in Google it's a pdf. Variants of interest and variants under investigation. According to the numbers, the delta shit under .2% fatality rate.
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This chart from that paper shows over 50 yrs old fully vaxxed has higher death rate than over 50 unvaxxed.

Under 50 yrs old numbers work more in fully vaxxed favor but the death rate is miniscule af any way u slice it regardless of age group

I'm not saying don't get vaxxed, but somebody said something about math. Here are some solid numbers from their government.

After all UK fighting the same variant with the same vaccines as we are, and they're a lil farther in.

Don’t post any factual data from any official public health institutions in here fam, that shit needs to be wrapped up and misinterpreted by a random (political) influencer in a tweet accompanied by some shitty one liner or half of the folks posting in this thread won’t pay any attention to it lol.
 
Don’t post any factual data from any official public health institutions in here fam, that shit needs to be wrapped up and misinterpreted by a random (political) influencer in a tweet accompanied by some shitty one liner or half of the folks posting in this thread won’t pay any attention to it lol.


You do know its data that shows the vaccine being effective too.
 
Don’t post any factual data from any official public health institutions in here fam, that shit needs to be wrapped up and misinterpreted by a random (political) influencer in a tweet accompanied by some shitty one liner or half of the folks posting in this thread won’t pay any attention to it lol.
I'm gonna be accused of "alternative thinking" for this 🥴
 
So you agree with my point regarding the covid vaccines than? Since I’m vaccinated for yellow fever, hepatitis A, B, Mengitus (spellcheck) and vaccinated my son for everything there is and obviously am someone that doesn’t doubt vaccinations …

We can’t beat Covid the same way we beat Polio because theyre fundamentally different things. Covid can’t be bested through vaccines for reasons I give in that initial post but which context you simply ignored so … yeah. Just move on cause you keep moving the goal posts lol

And same as I told Dos...find a post where I said covid can be beaten through vaccines? You talking about ignoring context yet want to ignore the context that I told you I mentioned the polio vaccine. It wasn't in comparison to the literal vaccine and it's effectiveness but about people doubting vaccines in general and the reasons they often give. You can go back and look at my post. It's there unedited.

The goal posts haven't been moved because my initial response to you was about how people being vaccinated helps to not overwork an already ineffective health care system that exists in the US. As of now all facts point to those that have been vaccinated that if they do get infected with Covid that they will not end up in a hospital bed...and that the vast majority of those that are currently hospitalized are unvaccinated. So what are you debating?
 
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