The 2020 Presidential Election Thread: Joe Biden is the 46th President of the United States

[Mister]

So your implication is that because this isn’t a left leaning website the story has no merit?
Bernie has known about this for a while; long before he endorsed Biden.

Is that my implication? Or do I find it hilarious that you are sharing a tweet from a conservative site.

Interesting that Bernie would endorse him knowing of the "credible" sexual assault allegation against him. Interesting indeed.

its funny how we are supposed to be the bitter bernie bros but you bring him up every chance you get. What does Bernie have to do in the slightest with Bidens allegations?

But since we are talking about Biden....kavanaugh got grilled to no end about his allegations (rightfully so) but because its "your" guy whos up now you wanna deflect cuz you cant defend biden......again

You can go back pages and see the posts I've already made, and the links I've shared, regarding the veracity of the allegations. Like I said before, there are 3 groups that seem to be the only ones pushing the allegations as "credible": Trump supporters, Triple Bs and Russian bots. It is what it is.

 

[25centsandwich]

My best guess is that it expands the electorate. All the white women VP picks are in states Dems don't need to play hardball to win and would only boost turnout for suburban whites (which the dems are already in decent numbers with Biden). Added benefit is that she'll essentially be the leader of the Democrats since it's getting more clear that Biden lasts as a single term executive. If I was Biden I'd choose Ayanna Pressley for the best of both worlds but she's too far left for his donor's standards anyway.

Only issue is that the black women candidates for vp arent guaranteed to bring out black voters in greater numbers than biden himself would. Harris isnt popular in her own state. I like abrams but her record is light for being a vp with a candidate as old as biden.

Ive been saying klobuchar since the beginning. Shes absurdly popular in a midwest state with a long legislative record that is inline with bidens. Plus she overperformed on the national stage. Let biden, the obamas, and local leaders rally the black vote while klobuchar courts suburban women in the midwest.

 

[StringerBell]

 

[Peace_79]

Is that my implication? Or do I find it hilarious that you are sharing a tweet from a conservative site.

Interesting that Bernie would endorse him knowing of the "credible" sexual assault allegation against him. Interesting indeed.

Well - It’s factual information. Do you care about the substance. Or are optics and labels all that matter to you?


Before you accuse me of obsessing about him, For the record - you were the one who brought up Bernie Sanders.

It’s actually not interesting. Dude was contractually obligated to endorse the Democratic nominee. Plus he gave his word that he would do it.

So ... he did what he said he would.

Would he have preferred not to endorse a creepy potential rapist whose platform is sub par? Sure. But my guess is he chose his word and obligation over his convictions.

If you find that “interesting” ... ok, I guess.


If I were him I would have:

A) Ran a better campaign so I could have actually won

B) Stayed in the race longer, regardless

C) If I had to drop out; negotiate far more progressive concessions than he did

But I’m not him. So here we are

 

[Mister]

Well - It’s factual information. Do you care about the substance. Or are optics and labels all that matter to you?


Before you accuse me of obsessing about him - For the record - you were the one who brought up Bernie Sanders.

It’s actually not interesting. Dude was contractually obligated to endorse the Democratic nominee. Plus he gave his word that he would do it.

So ... he did what he said he would.

Would he have preferred not to endorse a creepy potential rapist whose platform is sub par? Sure. But my guess is he chose his word and obligation over his convictions.

If you find that “interesting” ... ok, I guess.


If I were him I would have:

A) Ran a better campaign so I could have actually won

B) Stayed in the race longer, regardless

C) If I had to drop out; negotiate far more progressive concessions than he did

But I’m not him. So here we are

Spoken on and posted links about the substance. Curiously those posts were completely ignored. They're all still there if you actually care.

So the candidate that is different than all the other politicians, put political obligation over his morals? That can't be true. Inconceivable.

The bold is hilarious. Did he tell you that himself?

 

[Peace_79]

You can go back pages and see the posts I've already made, and the links I've shared, regarding the veracity of the allegations. Like I said before, there are 3 groups that seem to be the only ones pushing the allegations as "credible": Trump supporters, Triple Bs and Russian bots. It is what it is.

Did you support Brett Kavanaugh?

 

[Mister]

Did you support Brett Kavanaugh?

Didn't really read into the allegations against him. I didn't support his nomination because I believe he's a white supremacist.

 

[Peace_79]

Spoken on and posted links about the substance. Curiously those posts were completely ignored. They're all still there if you actually care.

So the candidate that is different than all the other politicians, put political obligation over his morals? That can't be true. Inconceivable.

The bold is hilarious. Did he tell you that himself?

Most politicians do not act out of “obligation“. They act out of their own self interest.

Bernie gains nothing from endorsing Joe Biden. In fact, it will only hurt him and his legacy. It sounds like your argument is that he is LESS moral for keeping his word and doing what he can to stop a lesser evil despite how it affects at him personally.

You got it champ

You are right in one sense, tho - He wasn’t willing to burn down the Democratic Party to bring about the change that he believed in and millions of people needed.

In other words - he let down the progressive movement because he didn’t go hard enough.

If that is your argument. I agree.

Ironically, if memory serves - you and others actually claimed the opposite. That he was wrong for being “too mean” and “aggressive” against the political establishment.

So you don’t even believe the argument you just tried to make.

 

[Mister]

Most politicians do not act out of “obligation“. They act out of their own self interest.

Bernie gains nothing from endorsing Joe Biden. In fact, it will only hurt him and his legacy. It sounds like your argument is that he is LESS moral for keeping his word and doing what he can to stop a lesser evil despite how it affects at him personally.

You got it champ

You are right in one sense, tho - He wasn’t willing to burn down the Democratic Party to bring about the change that he believed in and millions of people needed.

In other words - he let down the progressive movement because he didn’t go hard enough.

If that is your argument. I agree.

Ironically, if memory serves - you and others actually claimed the opposite. That he was wrong for being “too mean” and “aggressive” against the political establishment.

So you don’t even believe the argument you just tried to make.

Prove the bold or stick to trying to refute what I've actually stated.

 

[Peace_79]

Prove the bold or stick to trying to refute what I've actually stated.

I am not about to dig through the thread.

If I am mistaken, I am mistaken.

For the record - you disagree with those that say Bernie should have courted endorsements from other politicians or rolled out more “moderate policies”. That is what you are effectively saying.

See, I don’t have to spend hours pouring through a message board Thread.

Instead, we could just avoid being cryptic and obtuse and just state our positions.

What would you like me to refute?

 

[Mister]

I am not about to dig through the thread.

If I am mistaken, I am mistaken.

For the record - you disagree with those that say Bernie should have courted endorsements from other politicians or rolled out more “moderate policies”. That is what you are effectively saying.

See, I don’t have to spend hours pouring through a message board Thread.

Instead, we could just avoid being cryptic and obtuse and just state our positions.

What would you like me to refute?

The bold: You are. No ifs. If not, prove it.

The underlined: Show me where I "effectively" said that. I'll wait.

And I would like you to refute the actual words and points from my posts that you continue to quote. And not create your own arguments just to argue against points or words that were never stated. Can't believe I had to explain that.

 

[Peace_79]

The bold: You are. No ifs. If not, prove it.

The underlined: Show me where I "effectively" said that. I'll wait.

And I would like you to refute the actual words and points from my posts that you continue to quote. And not create your own arguments just to argue against points or words that were never stated. Can't believe I had to explain that.

To the underlined.

That is what you are effectively saying.

I know you are really big on quoting things verbatim - but you don’t have to literally state something word for word for it to have an effective meaning.

(Can’t believe I had to explain that)

YOU vehemently deny that you EVER stated that Bernie Sanders ran a campaign that was overly aggressive towards the Democratic Party.

If you believe that Bernie’s campaign was NOT overly aggressive (notice how we don’t have to find random posts on a message board to verify this, you have the free will to express your beliefs) -

This means that you believe his campaign was either about right in the aspect of aggression or was not aggressive enough.

Therefore, this would EFFECTIVELY mean that you DO NOT believe Bernie should have “courted endorsements from other politicians or rolled out more “moderate policies”.

Like I said ...

And to the bold - I addressed all of the points you made in your posts. But in case I happened to mis something - go ahead and let me know what you would like me to refute.

Thanks

(Is there an echo in here)

Otherwise you can continue to scream at me for not doing something you refuse to ask me to do.

 

[LurkerSix]

I never really believed polls, then afer that Clinton - Trump fiasco, I def dont believe polls

 

[Mister]

To the underlined.

That is what you are effectively saying.

I know you are really big on quoting things verbatim - but you don’t have to literally state something word for word for it to have an effective meaning.

(Can’t believe I had to explain that)

YOU vehemently deny that you EVER stated that Bernie Sanders ran a campaign that was overly aggressive towards the Democratic Party.

If you believe that Bernie’s campaign was NOT overly aggressive (notice how we don’t have to find random posts on a message board to verify this, you have the free will to express your beliefs) -

This means that you believe his campaign was either about right in the aspect of aggression or was not aggressive enough.

Therefore, this would EFFECTIVELY mean that you DO NOT believe Bernie should have “courted endorsements from other politicians or rolled out more “moderate policies”.

Like I said ...

And to the bold - I addressed all of the points you made in your posts. But in case I happened to mis something - go ahead and let me know what you like me to refute.

Thanks

(Is there an echo in here)

Otherwise you can continue to scream at me for not doing something you to ask me to do.

All that typing to be wrong as hell. I can have never said what you claimed that I said(you seem to make a lot of false claims....those damned feelings) and still not "disagree with those that say Bernie should have courted endorsements from other politicians or rolled out more “moderate policies”."

This is your initial allegation:

"Ironically, if memory serves - you and others actually claimed the opposite. That he was wrong for being “too mean” and “aggressive” against the political establishment."

Which you could not prove to be true so you decided to tell me what I'm "effectively" saying instead of just admitting that you made a false accusation. Thus creating a false dichotomy to try to prove your point. Whatever that is at this point.

Free game: Typing a bunch of paragraphs doesn't add validity to a falsehood.

 

[Mister]

Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor

If we must blindly accept every allegation of sexual assault, the #MeToo movement is just a hit squad. And it's too important to be no more than that.

www.usatoday.com

How many of you actually believe Reade's allegations?

 

[Infamous114]

Mister vs Peace79 is the unstoppable force meets the immovable object

 

[Mr.LV]

I never really believed polls, then afer that Clinton - Trump fiasco, I def dont believe polls

I don't either ,the only poll that matters is the one on November 3rd

 

[Peace_79]

All that typing to be wrong as hell. I can have never said what you claimed that I said(you seem to make a lot of false claims....those damned feelings) and still not "disagree with those that say Bernie should have courted endorsements from other politicians or rolled out more “moderate policies”."

This is your initial allegation:

"Ironically, if memory serves - you and others actually claimed the opposite. That he was wrong for being “too mean” and “aggressive” against the political establishment."

Which you could not prove to be true so you decided to tell me what I'm "effectively" saying instead of just admitting that you made a false accusation. Thus creating a false dichotomy to try to prove your point. Whatever that is at this point.

Free game: Typing a bunch of paragraphs doesn't add validity to a falsehood.

Cool.

So we started with you trying to gaslight me about “What would Bernie do” and his Biden endorsement - out of nowhere.

You go ahead and tell me what your point was in doing that - because clearly unless you type it into a message board post no one can dare make logical inferences regarding your arguments or positions.

After addressing all of your points and clearly explaining how Bernie Sanders can endorse Joe Biden and somehow that doesn’t invalidate progressivism - you ignore all of that and and have a multi post seizure about me being mistaken about something you said.


Nevemind that I prefaced that statement with “if memory serves”.

You see I didn’t have to “prove that you said that”. Or “add validity to it”.

If it was mistaken, I was mistaken. Notice how I already said that several posts ago.

Or as you put it - “admitted that I made a false accusation”

Notice we are three posts after that and you are still irate and arguing about it ...

My point?

I already made it pages ago in response to YOU quoting ME.

But I’m the one in my feelings.

 

[Mister]

Cool.

So we started with you trying to gaslight me about “What would Bernie do” and his Biden endorsement - out of nowhere.

You tell me what your point was in doing that - because clearly unless you type it into a message board post no one can dare make logical inferences regarding your arguments.

After addressing all of your points, clearly explaining how I Bernie Sanders can endorse Joe Biden and somehow that doesn’t invalidate progressivism - you ignore all of that and and have a multi post seizure about me being mistaken about something you said.


Nevemind tha I prefaced that stagnant with “if memory serves”.

You see I didn’t have to “prove that you said that”. Or “add validity to it”. If it was mistaken, I was mistaken. I already said that. Or as you put it - “admitted that I made a false accusation”

Notice we are three posts after that and you are still irate and arguing about it ...

My point? I made it pages ago In response to YOU quoting ME.

But I’m the one in my feelings.

All that typing and still not man enough to flat out admit that you were wrong. I notice in your synopsis that you left out how you tried to create a false dichotomy and put words in my mouth, but I digress.

Since my initial point about Bernie flew over your head, even though I pointed it out, it is that either Bernie is a politician just like all his peers and/or he knows the allegations aren't "credible".

Succinct.

 

[Peace_79]

All that typing and still not man enough to flat out admit that you were wrong. I notice in your synopsis that you left out how you tried to create a false dichotomy and put words in my mouth, but I digress.

Since my initial point about Bernie flew over your head, even though I pointed it out, is that either Bernie is a politician just like all his peers and/or he knows the allegations aren't "credible".

Succinct.

LOL.

Jesus Christ. I already admitted it three times. I admitted it was a possibility before I even made the statement.

What would you like me to do - Write you an apology?

You still haven't acknowledged the substance of what was said in that discussion. But forget it, fam - It’s not that serious.

And your conclusion is a False choice. Which I articulated pages ago before your head apparently exploded.

Imagine this - Bernie knows the allegations are credible. In fact they are 5X more credible and have much more corroborating evidence than the very same allegations against Brett Kavanaugh that the entire Democratic Party wanted to burn him at the stake over.

Bernie also believes in keeping his word, complying with what he was legally obligated to do, and that he MUST do everything in his power to defeat Donald Trump.

Because multiple things can be true at the same time.