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Either way, yall being so opposed to protecting our children like we do anything else percieved as being of value and importance is wild as hell.

Just be honest, yall ultimate wish is a complete ban of ALL firearms. Yall just doing it via death by 1000 cuts.

Banning ar platforms firearms will not stop this, so yall will say well lets restrict/ban handguns too. That wont work either, then you'll say ban ammo. That wont work because reloading is something anyone can do. Then you'll say ban the items needed to reload.....and and and

Not too mention, none of yall have ever answered the dilema of what to do about 100s of millions of gun and unkown ammounts of magazines ammo etc already in circulation.
 
Have you fired a rifle and handgun at moving targets from 15 to 20 yds?

I ask because the anti 2A crew likes to make statements like this without having the actual experience
I have not at moving targets, but I’m not going to have the rifle vs. handgun straw man argument all over again. Shooters choose the rifle for a reason, it’s not coincidence. Just like police and military choose rifles over handguns.
 
Either way, yall being so opposed to protecting our children like we do anything else percieved as being of value and importance is wild as hell.

Just be honest, yall ultimate wish is a complete ban of ALL firearms. Yall just doing it via death by 1000 cuts.

Banning ar platforms firearms will not stop this, so yall will say well lets restrict/ban handguns too. That wont work either, then you'll say ban ammo. That wont work because reloading is something anyone can do. Then you'll say ban the items needed to reload.....and and and

Not too mention, none of yall have ever answered the dilema of what to do about 100s of millions of gun and unkown ammounts of magazines ammo etc already in circulation.
No one is opposed to it, there’s just much more immediate and easier solutions. Y’all the only ones uncompromising.

As far as the millions of guns, most of these shooters are new gun owners.
 
I have not at moving targets, but I’m not going to have the rifle vs. handgun straw man argument all over again. Shooters choose the rifle for a reason, it’s not coincidence. Just like police and military choose rifles over handguns.
I don't think his argument was a difference but more like it's difficult to hit a moving target period but could be wrong
 
I have not at moving targets, but I’m not going to have the rifle vs. handgun straw man argument all over again. Shooters choose the rifle for a reason, it’s not coincidence. Just like police and military choose rifles over handguns.

Naw it aint no strawman, dont deflect. You just proved the point of what I said. Yall say stuff how about how easy this and that is as if you're stating absolute facts when its anything but.

These cowards choose ars for the visuals of it, in my opinion. The biggest advantage a rifle has over a pistol comes into play at distance. In these close qtr shootings pistols would actually be more efficient for cornering, reloading, target acquisition etc.
 
No one is opposed to it, there’s just much more immediate and easier solutions. Y’all the only ones uncompromising.

As far as the millions of guns, most of these shooters are new gun owners.

More legislation is a solution? After 9 11 did we sit back and wait for legislation or did we implement security measures? Stopped that shit real quick didnt it?

Metal detectors, body scanners, all bags get the x ray, more leo presence etc. Should we dismantle all that "militarization"?

Again, high value targets get hit, you harden it, not throw shit at the wall hoping it sticks.

Where you get your info that most of these shooter are new gun owners?

Even if they were, whats that got to do with the guns already out here that cant be all confiscated?
 
I have not at moving targets, but I’m not going to have the rifle vs. handgun straw man argument all over again. Shooters choose the rifle for a reason, it’s not coincidence. Just like police and military choose rifles over handguns.

The #1 weapon used in mass shootings is still the handgun, so you're wrong today just like you were when we discussed the Highland Park parade shooting back in July. 76% of all mass shootings from 1982 until today used a handgun.
 
More legislation is a solution? After 9 11 did we sit back and wait for legislation or did we implement security measures? Stopped that shit real quick didnt it?

Metal detectors, body scanners, all bags get the x ray, more leo presence etc. Should we dismantle all that "militarization"?

Again, high value targets get hit, you harden it, not throw shit at the wall hoping it sticks.

Where you get your info that most of these shooter are new gun owners?

Even if they were, whats that got to do with the guns already out here that cant be all confiscated?

Overnight you couldn't walk your family all the way to the gate anymore at any airport in the country. Metal detectors everywhere, two months after 9/11 the TSA was born, body scanners in airports, alladat because we placed high value on airports.

Place that same value on our schools now that they've been attacked.
 
Overnight you couldn't walk your family all the way to the gate anymore at any airport in the country. Metal detectors everywhere, two months after 9/11 the TSA was born, body scanners in airports, alladat because we placed high value on airports.

Place that same value on our schools now that they've been attacked.

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I visited Jordan a couple years back. Damn near every international hotel (The Intercontinental, Hilton) had metal detectors and armed guards.

I was kicking it with this cat years ago and he was telling me about flying into Tel Aviv and how much security there is. He was like it was unreal the number of soldiers at the airport. This was something like '93 or '94.
 
The #1 weapon used in mass shootings is still the handgun, so you're wrong today just like you were when we discussed the Highland Park parade shooting back in July. 76% of all mass shootings from 1982 until today used a handgun.
You’re including “beef” type mass shootings in that metric, which you and I have agreed shouldn’t really be considered mass shootings.
 
More legislation is a solution? After 9 11 did we sit back and wait for legislation or did we implement security measures? Stopped that shit real quick didnt it?

Metal detectors, body scanners, all bags get the x ray, more leo presence etc. Should we dismantle all that "militarization"?

Again, high value targets get hit, you harden it, not throw shit at the wall hoping it sticks.

Where you get your info that most of these shooter are new gun owners?

Even if they were, whats that got to do with the guns already out here that cant be all confiscated?
Kind of hard to ban planes since that was the weapon used in 9/11.

And like I said, number 1 our kids shouldn’t even have to deal with school shootings to the point of having armed guards all over the place. It’s possible and proven, y’all just won’t compromise. Number 2, security are cowards half the time and won’t stop shit no way. Uvalde school system had an entire dedicated police force and look what happened.
 
You’re including “beef” type mass shootings in that metric, which you and I have agreed shouldn’t really be considered mass shootings.

And you said the exact same thing back then, and I'm telling you now like I told you then: They filter out all of that noise and come to the numbers: Of the 141 mass shootings between 1982 to today handguns are the dominate weapon used. And since we're at 9 months later, the percentage has risen from 76% to 78%, so you're even more wrong today than you were back then.

If they included street beef, the number of incidents would be waaaaaaaaaaaay more then 141.
 
THe second point I assume you alluding to is less guns less killings. Well of course but we way past that point. Again, they cant take the hundred of millions of known guns. Add the unknown illegal ones and its an even more insurmountable task and attempting to fix it with bans or more laws ia futile. Not to mention, remember what happened when the gov banned alcohol?
And turning every single public place of gathering that people might target in to a hard target isn't? Say you decide to turn every school in America in to a semi hard target (there are 115k of them), what about night clubs? and malls? and cafes? and universities? and churches? and synagogues? and grocery stores? and breweries? and libraries? and basically every outdoor space in this country where people may congregate in numbers?

It's not about immediately getting every single gun off the street, it's about making them harder to get. You can certainly couple it with a buyback program but that's only going to be marginally effective and shouldn't be the main goal. It's would be a process, just like it is in every country that strengthens their gun laws. Finland requires those who want a handgun to have both a psych eval and a background check by the police. Sounds like a great start. Bigger is making mfers who do have guns even more liable for them. No leaving ya shit out easy to get stolen or anything cause a lot of weapons found on Philly streets are stolen. Better yet they are "stolen", if you catch my drift.

Again, the only leg y'all have to stand on is "it's in the constitution", that's it. Everything else your saying is nonsense, tbh, and all of em have at least one mass killing to prove it don't work. Prohibition? Like really dude? Niggas is not manufacturing their own firearms like that on their lonesome in any manner efficient enough to replicate the gun violence of today. Anything that is made in some mfers barn or basement is going to pale in comparison to modern firearms.

Schools are not high value targets, their fucking schools. We don't harden schools and supermarkets and shit because why the fuck should we have to harden schools and fucking supermarkets? What the absolute fuck am I reading in here.

Deadass, it basically boils down to "Yo, I wanna act cool and tough and go pew pew at the gun range and I don't want to jump through too many hurdles to do it so y'all gonna have to turn every daycare in the country in to a military base so some crazy nigga don't shoot ya babies in the face"

In here trying to play on race like anything suggested by y'all so far would help gun violence on our streets at all. Red flag laws not saving our young people, these boys not like that, as least medically. Can't harden the streets unless you are advocating for more nervous ass cops roaming our neighborhoods seeing ghosts.

I own a handgun. But it's just a tool for a certain task. I go to the range just to keep my aim right. Outside of that, that shit out of sight of mind and hopefully I never have to use it for it's intended purpose. The prospect of me having to prove I'm in my right mind, I'm not a criminal and I can properly secure it doesn't bother me in the least.
 
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I mean we talking about American public schools. Schools politicians don’t send their kids too. Just like with mental illness who is going to have all this money to really protect public schools which face a slew of issues.
 
I meant to post this a couple days back.

It’s 43 mins long but it’s a good slice of life debate.

 
And turning every single public place of gathering that people might target in to a hard target isn't? Say you decide to turn every school in America in to a semi hard target (there are 115k of them), what about night clubs? and malls? and cafes? and universities? and churches? and synagogues? and grocery stores? and breweries? and libraries? and basically every outdoor space in this country where people may congregate in numbers?

It's not about immediately getting every single gun off the street, it's about making them harder to get. You can certainly couple it with a buyback program but that's only going to be marginally effective and shouldn't be the main goal. It's would be a process, just like it is in every country that strengthens their gun laws. Finland requires those who want a handgun to have both a psych eval and a background check by the police. Sounds like a great start. Bigger is making mfers who do have guns even more liable for them. No leaving ya shit out easy to get stolen or anything cause a lot of weapons found on Philly streets are stolen. Better yet they are "stolen", if you catch my drift.

Again, the only leg y'all have to stand on is "it's in the constitution", that's it. Everything else your saying is nonsense, tbh, and all of em have at least one mass killing to prove it don't work. Prohibition? Like really dude? Niggas is not manufacturing their own firearms like that on their lonesome in any manner efficient enough to replicate the gun violence of today. Anything that is made in some mfers barn or basement is going to pale in comparison to modern firearms.

Schools are not high value targets, their fucking schools. We don't harden schools and supermarkets and shit because why the fuck should we have to harden schools and fucking supermarkets? What the absolute fuck am I reading in here.

Deadass, it basically boils down to "Yo, I wanna act cool and tough and go pew pew at the gun range and I don't want to jump through too many hurdles to do it so y'all gonna have to turn every daycare in the country in to a military base so some crazy nigga don't shoot ya babies in the face"

In here trying to play on race like anything suggested by y'all so far would help gun violence on our streets at all. Red flag laws not saving our young people, these boys not like that, as least medically. Can't harden the streets unless you are advocating for more nervous ass cops roaming our neighborhoods seeing ghosts.

I own a handgun. But it's just a tool for a certain task. I go to the range just to keep my aim right. Outside of that, that shit out of sight of mind and hopefully I never have to use it for it's intended purpose. The prospect of me having to prove I'm in my right mind, I'm not a criminal and I can properly secure it doesn't bother me in the least.

The more yall type the more obvious your lack of leadership, critical thinking and problem solving skills becomes.

Your first point. "WE NEED TO MAKE THEM HARDER TO GET!". For the billionth time, yall completely and foolishly gloss right over the fact that there's hundreds of millions of known guns and ammo in circulation so "making them harder to get" by passing redundant legislation only means more illegal purchases. You think all these guns used in inner city violence were legally bought? So ban/restrict them but who cares about the fact that they will go steal one or buy one off the street. Fuck is wrong with yall

Second, you talk about it's in the constitution being the only leg to stand on. Careful with downplaying that because you open up the door for every other constitutional right to be downplayed. Aside from that me and a lotta other 2A supporters understand the constitution doesn't grant that right, it simply protects it. Who the fuck are you tell me how when and where I can protect myself against criminals who have guns? Next, I mentioned prohibition to give an example of how ineffective laws are when there is a demand for something and a supply of it. That goes right back to hundreds of fucking guns already out here. Not to mention, I think it was the homie @konceptjones that done told yall already mfers are 3d printing guns. Anyone can make their own ammo at home. You know how many people build their own ars? No you don't because as usual, you ain't well versed in the topic, you just irrational about it and can only parrot what other people who are also irrational say.

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We don't harden schools and supermarkets and shit because why the fuck should we have to harden schools and fucking supermarkets?
How ridiculous is this??? So because we shouldn't HAVE to do something in an ideal world, we shouldn't do it despite the fact that the reality is there are evil mfers who will keep doing evil shit. Children are our most valuable, precious resource, fuck you mean the buildings they occupy ain't high value? So by your logic, remove airport security, don't lock your doors, take metal detectors and police out of courts because hey we shouldn't have to harden this shit right? You idealistic wishful thinking doesn't do shit but waste time while kids continue to die. First and foremost you prevent unauthorized access to these school buildings and figure everything else out from there. Ain't no time to experiment with laws when proper resources will prevent a nutcase. Once again, so many things can be done in a subtle manner that will be effective. Some simple shit like locked doors that you can't just shoot out and climb through would go along way. Imagine this bitch had gotten to the school only to find out she couldn't shoot the glass out.

By the way, since yall are so up to speed on the details, you do know she targeted other schools but settled on this, her former school because the others were too secure. GO FUCKING FIGURE. But nope, we shouldn't HAVE to this

Last, what does you being a gun owner have to do with anything other than prove you obviously recognize the need to have one?
 
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