Question is this fair.......

[Rubato]

well i remember reading a study that concluded there was no direct or consistent research suggesting transgender female individuals (or male individuals) have an athletic advantage at any stage of their transition.

plus trans women actually have a disadvantage competing with cis women since due to blockers. so in fact trans women have a lower testosterone level than cis women.

the blockers also diminish their bone density

One study? A study where the results haven’t been reproduced by other scientists isn’t really considered useful

 

[Race Jones]

One study? A study where the results haven’t been reproduced by other scientists isn’t really considered useful

there have been several studies sir

i was speaking about a specific study i read

 

[Race Jones]

what studies have you read that suggest the opposite???? @Rubato

 

[Rubato]

what studies have you read that suggest the opposite???? @Rubato

Study: Transgender Athletes Keep Advantages After Hormone Injections

Essentially, this study concludes that men who 'transition' by taking testosterone suppressants can rejuvenate muscle mass, strength, and power.

thefederalist.com

Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormone therapy, study finds

The findings raise questions about current Olympic guidelines, but the lead author cautions against using them to back bans in recreational and school sports.

www.nbcnews.com

Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds

Trans women retained a 12% advantage and their testosterone levels remained higher even after two years of taking suppressing hormones

www.theguardian.com

 

[Race Jones]

Study: Transgender Athletes Keep Advantages After Hormone Injections

Essentially, this study concludes that men who 'transition' by taking testosterone suppressants can rejuvenate muscle mass, strength, and power.

thefederalist.com

Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormone therapy, study finds

The findings raise questions about current Olympic guidelines, but the lead author cautions against using them to back bans in recreational and school sports.

www.nbcnews.com

Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds

Trans women retained a 12% advantage and their testosterone levels remained higher even after two years of taking suppressing hormones

www.theguardian.com

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Rubato]

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Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

That was the first study in 2015 but don’t ignore the ones done after that I cited

 

[Race Jones]

Trans women retain 12% edge in tests two years after transitioning, study finds

Trans women retained a 12% advantage and their testosterone levels remained higher even after two years of taking suppressing hormones

www.theguardian.com

Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormone therapy, study finds

The findings raise questions about current Olympic guidelines, but the lead author cautions against using them to back bans in recreational and school sports.

www.nbcnews.com

this is a more indepth article than the one you posted and it deadass says:

 

[Rubato]

You asked for my sources and continue to only acknowledge your own

I guess this was just meant to be a silly thread, my mistake

 

[Race Jones]

You asked for my sources and continue to only acknowledge your own

I guess this was just meant to be a silly thread, my mistake

Im acknowledging your sources. Im just stating theres limited data still. im assuming you didnt read your sources fully and simply wrote in google “transgenderd [..] are more advantaged...” because there are other articles that go in depth and challenege what you posted.

confirmation biases are the devil

 

[Dwayne]

All transgender folks take those meds so it’s a invalid point.

 

[Rubato]

Im acknowledging your sources. Im just stating theres limited data still. im assuming you didnt read your sources fully and simply wrote in google “transgender are more advantaged...” because there are other articles that go in depth and challenege what you posted.

That is a valid point to make if you can describe the methodologies of the two studies being compared and why yours was more “in depth”

 

[Rubato]

“Slightly” lmfao yea sounds fair

Strength of trans women drops slightly after year of treatment, research claims

Testosterone blockers taken by transgender women only minimally reduce the biological advantage underpinning performance, according to new research

www.theguardian.com

 

[Rubato]

The Harper study has two obvious flaws

1) The activity she mainly focuses on is distance running, when the sports that require explosive movement are the ones where you actually see the most disparity between sexes.

2) It overestimates hormonal impact and underestimates the importance of lean muscle mass. Check this out..

 

[Race Jones]

the study is literally a shithole tho, they chose 26 TM and 46 TW and it clearly states a transgender woman who transitions before or at puberty, “doesn't really have any advantage”

i mean even the lead research on the study you posted said the only conclusion is "we need to do a few more studies" sooo ??

 

[Rubato]

the study is literally a shithole tho, they chose 26 TM and 46 TW and it clearly states a transgender woman who transitions before or at puberty, “doesn't really have any advantage”

i mean even the lead research on the study you posted said the only conclusion is "we need to do a few more studies" sooo ??

Lol “transgender athlete” is already a tiny bucket to pick from, now imagine how many are “transgender athletes willing to be part of a study”

 

[Race Jones]

and its for olympic sports.

 

[Race Jones]

Lol “transgender athlete” is already a tiny bucket to pick from, now imagine how many are “transgender athletes willing to be part of a study”

the sample size is too small thats all im saying

 

[BRIAN B.]

That would be hiliarious, he retired from the nba, said he identified as a woman, joined the wnba and just be yamming on females and bodying them out the post

lol

he'd play for 10 more yrs, breakin records & shit


legend in 2 games like Peewee Kirkland

 

[IP360]

transgender in athletics is weird....like people are really going to ignore the genetic disadvantage/advantage to the situation?!

This.

Biology...can't change that no matter what

 

[Rubato]

the sample size is too small thats all im saying

Yea I only dropped the shit cause you asked for it