if you get a Jokic that turns into a better conditioned decent/good defender that makes him the best 2 way big in the leagueMarc Gasol was a hoe but I get what you’re saying but Gasol wasn’t appreciated as a defender until he dropped the baby fat
He’s like how Noah was with no muscle definition when he came in the league
Noah then bulked up
shortly after he won DPOY
see what I’m getting at?